你怎么会知道我是这么想的???虽然我外面用公主款把自己包装得好好的。我觉得这跟有些小个子男生狂想去开18轮大卡车是一个道理。这理论inconvenient 压迫了不喜欢坐在阁楼里当公主喜欢出门烧杀掠夺强抢民男的女生发展个性的空间。
我一共听过两次信基督教能让国家发达的说法,

你怎么会知道我是这么想的???虽然我外面用公主款把自己包装得好好的。我觉得这跟有些小个子男生狂想去开18轮大卡车是一个道理。这理论inconvenient 压迫了不喜欢坐在阁楼里当公主喜欢出门烧杀掠夺强抢民男的女生发展个性的空间。
Do Gender Differences Exist Among the Mathematically Talented?
The hypothesis that the variability of intellectual abilities is greater among males than females was originally proposed by Ellis in 1894 to explain a phenomenon that seemed obvious at the time: There were both an excess of males among the mentally defective and very few female geniuses (1). If this Greater Male Variability Hypothesis were valid, it could account for the existence of a preponderance of males at the highest levels of performance even when a mean gender difference does not exist, as shown schematically in Fig. 1. This is the hypothesis to which Lawrence Summers was referring[/b] when he stated at the National Bureau of Economic Research Conference held on January 14, 2005, “There are issues of intrinsic aptitude, and particularly of the variability of aptitude, and that those considerations are reinforced by what are in fact lesser factors involving socialization and continuing discrimination. It's talking about people who are 3 ½, 4 standard deviations above the mean in the one-in-5,000, one-in-10,000 class. Even small differences in the standard deviation will translate into very large differences in the available pool substantially out.”
....Theoretical models are, of course, just that. Actual distributions rarely conform exactly to normal ones. Thus, gender ratios in the upper tails of actual distributions were calculated using data from the Minnesota state assessments (13). Results were analyzed separately by ethnicity to ensure that the findings were not limited to the predominantly White samples that have been the mainstay of U.S. research. For students scoring above the 95th percentile, the M:F ratio was 1.45 for Whites, close to theoretical prediction. At the 99th percentile, the M:F ratio was 2.06, again close to theoretical prediction. However, the M:F ratio was only 0.91 for Asian-Americans, that is, more girls than boys scored above the 99th percentile. Analysis of data from 15-year-old students participating in the 2003 Program for International Student Assessment (PISA) likewise indicated that as many, if not more girls than boys scored above the 99th percentile in Iceland, Thailand, and the United Kingdom (18). The M:F ratios above the 95th percentile on this examination also fell between 0.9 and 1.1 for these above-named countries plus Indonesia, that is, were not significantly different from equal variances (19). These findings challenge the Greater Male Variability Hypothesis, which, if valid, should hold for all representative populations, regardless of ethnicity or nationality.
Two recent studies directly address the question of whether greater male variability in mathematics is a ubiquitous phenomenon. Machin and Pekkarinen (19) reported that the M:F VR in mathematics was significantly >1.00 at the P < 0.05 level among 15-year-old students in 34 of 40 countries participating in the 2003 PISA and among 13-year-old students in 33 of 50 countries participating in the 2003 Trends in International Mathematics and Science Study (TIMSS). However, these data also indicated that the math VR was significantly less than or insignificantly different from 1.00 for some of the countries that participated in these assessments (e.g., Table 2), a finding inconsistent with the Greater Male Variability Hypothesis.
STEM = science, technology, engineering, mathematics.Current research provides abundant evidence for the impact of sociocultural and other environmental factors on the development and nurturing of mathematical skills and talent and the size, if any, of math gender gaps. The evidence comes from both cross-ethnic and cross-national studies and the above-cited changes observed within countries over time in the general, SMPY, and IMO-level populations.
Several researchers have investigated cross-national patterns of gender differences in math performance, studies that also provide clues as to the specific cultural factors that most affect outcomes. Baker and Jones (29) found that the magnitude of the mean gender difference in mathematics performance on the Second International Mathematics Study (SIMS) significantly correlated, across nations, with measures of gender inequality. For example, the size of the math gender gap correlated −0.55 with the percentage of women in the workforce in those nations. Likewise, Guiso and colleagues (18), using 2003 PISA data testing 15-year-olds from 40 countries, found that gender inequality as measured by the World Economic Forum's Gender Gap Index (GGI) (30) significantly correlated with the magnitude of the mean math gender gap. The GGI provides a measure of the gap between men and women in economic participation and opportunity, educational attainment, political empowerment, and health and survival; the closer it is to 1.00, the smaller the gender gap on these measures. In other words, Guiso et al. (18) concluded that the math gender gap varies across nations; nations with greater gender equality typically have a smaller math gender gap.
Regarding change over time, the likeliest explanation for the dramatic improvement in math performance by U.S. females lies in 2 recent cultural trends: (i) girls in general taking more mathematics and science courses during high school due, in part, to changes in requirements for graduation and admission to colleges, and (ii) the opening up to females shortly before or after enactment of Title IX in 1972 of STEM-intensive specialty high schools, colleges, and graduate schools along with career opportunities in STEM fields. These 2 trends are intimately connected.
The increase in women pursuing careers in STEM has been quite dramatic in some STEM fields. For example, only 14% of the U.S. doctoral degrees in the biological sciences went to women in 1970, whereas this figure had risen to 49% by 2006 (31). Entry into other STEM areas has been slower, yet substantial. For example, 5.5% of U.S. doctoral degrees in the physical sciences were awarded to women in 1970, compared with 30% in 2006; the percentages in mathematics and statistics were 8% in 1970 and 32% in 2006 (26, 32). Clearly, numerous women are willing and able to learn the mathematics needed for advanced degrees in these areas when provided with an appropriately nurturing sociocultural environment along with educational and career opportunities.
World Economic Forum 收集数据计算出来的性别差距社会综合指数 (gender gap index),根据2007 年数据,猜猜美国排第几?31,在古巴,哥斯达黎加,白俄罗斯,斯里兰卡这些国家之后。难怪女不如男是自然现象的理论在美国大有市场。About 70% of more than half a million Implicit Association Tests completed by citizens of 34 countries revealed expected implicit stereotypes associating science with males more than with females. We discovered that nation-level implicit stereotypes predicted nation-level sex differences in 8th-grade science and mathematics achievement. Self-reported stereotypes did not provide additional predictive validity of the achievement gap. We suggest that implicit stereotypes and sex differences in science participation and performance are mutually reinforcing, contributing to the persistent gender gap in science engagement.
根据我引用的那个学术文章,他那个理论(男生分布广,女生集中)是19世纪不知道谁扔出来的理论,已经被证伪了。Knowing wrote:larry summers 真没说女人比男人笨。首先他讨论的是顶尖学术界人才啥的,
我觉得吧,反正只要男女还没完全平等,总有人要说"根据(现有)数据"blah blah 的话,挨个驳斥,想想实在是没什么意思。
People don't care if women are "better" than men on certain things. The reason is simple --- Even if women beat men in everything, but they still can't get the corner office. So who cares?可是如果说女生整体上交流能力强艺术感觉好,并没有人想反驳 -- 是否反驳的话就容易政治不正确?
我认为社会的压迫是不承认女性的劳动有价值或者价值不如做同样劳动的男性。我认为社会的压迫并不是赋予女性她们的自身特点或者给女性特定的社会分工(比如承担家庭劳动),而是让女性认为她们的特点是低等的她们的劳动是低级的。
可以坦率的说,我认为你的直觉是错的。因为我的直觉完全不同。我是不是对的呢?不一定。幻儿 wrote:我不能够接受的是很多人看到Summers的假设或者或者其他男女差异问题的时候,就会下意识的觉得这些理论的背后是女不如男,头脑中是六七十年代的女权运动时期的的思路:男女是敌人至少是对立的,潜意识里还认为男性的特点是更优势的,女性应该像男性那样,所以要否认男女之间的天然差异,而把女性今天的社会分工和地位完全归根于历史上的歧视,社会家庭的教育,男权社会对女性的压迫。可是我直觉上不认为这是全部的解释。比如说把若干婴儿(在他们被社会家庭污染之前)分成男女两个房间,给女孩玩具卡车枪之类,给男孩洋娃娃之类的。我觉得很可能女孩还是会把卡车分成爸爸车妈妈车玩过家家,男生会拿着洋娃娃当武器冲来冲去打闹。
我认为社会的压迫并不是赋予女性她们的自身特点或者给女性特定的社会分工(比如承担家庭劳动),而是让女性认为她们的特点是低等的她们的劳动是低级的。
我觉得男女的差异是互补的,不是对立的,不存在哪一个更优或更劣,女性亦不必想要事事“超过”男性。如果有人说男生数学好,马上就有人来证明不是的,女生已经赶上甚至要超过男生了,大家就松一口气,觉得这个证明得太对了。可是如果说女生整体上交流能力强艺术感觉好,并没有人想反驳 -- 是否反驳的话就容易政治不正确?
如果你学过统计,拿男女做X, 任何数据做Y,找correlation ,这个相关系数里有expected values μX and μY ,还有standard deviations σX and σY 。光拿个平均数没任何意义。方差一大,相关系数就下去了。豪情 wrote:还有, 统计不能光看平均, 也要看方差. 男女之间平均的差距, 比男男之间, 女女之间的差距小很多. 我最恨故作惊人之语的报道, 拿一个孤立的统计数字就无限延伸服务于自己的需要. 一点科学态度也没有.
这当然是压迫我这种不爱做家务劳动的女性!就象男人应该跟女人结婚的概念是压迫了弯人。我认为社会的压迫并不是赋予女性她们的自身特点或者给女性特定的社会分工(比如承担家庭劳动),
有个熟人是他们那个圈子的,说Summers学术上确实过硬,但是太不会做人,人缘不怎么好。Knowing wrote:该天才儿童搞了多年政治,当时在小克政府的财政部里也吃过随便乱讲话(写纸条)的亏,为啥还这么大嘴,就。。。。不过现在他规矩了。。。在帅哥政府里还没捅过什么篓子。
我看过一些基督新教和天主教,普通法和大陆法对于经济发展的作用。研究人员想要弄明白的是这个现象:为什么英国和英殖民地(美加澳印南非香港等),比欧洲大陆和他们那些殖民地(比如亚非拉很多国家)的经济和法制状况要好一些?这些文章的结论是如果有一个崭新的国家,没有历史的牵绊,可以任意选择宗教和法律体系,那么最好选新教和普通法。迪拜看来是接受了这个结论,他们继承的是欧洲大陆法系,可是特意挖出一个缺口,商业上用英美的普通法。笑嘻嘻 wrote:我一共听过两次信基督教能让国家发达的说法,![]()
这个是当然的吧。没有人会说就因为北欧人平均身高比日本人高,档案里一个北欧人/日本人,就选北欧人去当模特。tiffany wrote:我还认为面前站着一个人是男/女,除了确认他/她应该进男/女洗手间之外,似乎不应该能得出该人算术比较好/不好,更适合某工作这个结论。
我觉得这完全取决于具体的假设和问题。神经有毛病的人才会认为女性可以和男性跑得一样快,力气一样大。 可是如果假设是说女性的数学能力不如男性,那我当然会要求拿出确实的科学证据来,而且如果不能得到这种政局的话就很有理由认为这种假设背后是对女性的歧视。幻儿 wrote:我不能够接受的是很多人看到Summers的假设或者或者其他男女差异问题的时候,就会下意识的觉得这些理论的背后是女不如男,
作为一个母亲,我完全不这么觉得. 我女儿对任何洋娃娃绒毛动物都没有任何兴趣, 最喜欢玩卡车汽车火车. 小孩子会过家家或者使用(假想的)武器的年纪, 已经刻上很深的社会烙印了, 否则被社会家庭污染之前的孩子只有吃饭睡觉的本能, 不可能有过家家或者使用(假想的)武器的概念. again, 这只是我的感觉, 和你的感觉一样不值钱. 还是得有证据. 证据在哪儿?幻儿 wrote:比如说把若干婴儿(在他们被社会家庭污染之前)分成男女两个房间,给女孩玩具卡车枪之类,给男孩洋娃娃之类的。我觉得很可能女孩还是会把卡车分成爸爸车妈妈车玩过家家,男生会拿着洋娃娃当武器冲来冲去打闹。
反驳不是政治上不正确,而是没有事实依据。根据JUN,有研究表明这是事实。根据我作为妈妈和其他妈妈交流的经验来看,大家都同意普遍来说小女孩比小男孩说话早。既然没有人会觉得男的比女的跑得快和政治不正确有啥关系,为什么说女的比男的某方面强或者弱就非得扯到政治上去。政治的归政治,科学的归科学。幻儿 wrote:可是如果说女生整体上交流能力强艺术感觉好,并没有人想反驳 -- 是否反驳的话就容易政治不正确?
既然如此,那我们在讨论什么?幻儿 wrote:这个是当然的吧。没有人会说就因为北欧人平均身高比日本人高,档案里一个北欧人/日本人,就选北欧人去当模特。tiffany wrote:我还认为面前站着一个人是男/女,除了确认他/她应该进男/女洗手间之外,似乎不应该能得出该人算术比较好/不好,更适合某工作这个结论。
我说的都是整体而言,每个个体当然要分别对待。
Exactly.Jun wrote:My opinion is very simple: Theories that have been proven to be wrong by facts and data should be thrown aside.
Be it "Girls are not as good at math as boys" or "Vaccines cause autism", when it's not true, it's not true.
男女社会分工的差异和由此带来的其他差异不全是歧视造成的;女性不必非得像男人一样才是进步;男女不是敌人;女性不必想事事超过男性。tiffany wrote:是这样,here be my question: what exactly is your point?
我建议你从女性主义的最基本概念做起,你首先是一个人,其次才是一个女人。如果你要跟别人不一样,我支持你。但是别把自己首先当作一个'女人'来跟'男人'不一样。你可以跟其他'女人'也不一样。你不想要事事拔尖超过其他人,就要有勇气说:我不追求这些东西。不要躲到'女性'身份后面。幻儿 wrote:男女社会分工的差异和由此带来的其他差异不全是歧视造成的;女性不必非得像男人一样才是进步;男女不是敌人;女性不必想事事超过男性。
I agree with these points.女性不必非得像男人一样才是进步;男女不是敌人;女性不必想事事超过男性
这点我很明白。Knowing wrote:我建议你从女性主义的最基本概念做起,你首先是一个人,其次才是一个女人。别把自己首先当作一个'女人'来跟'男人'不一样。你跟其他'女人'也很不一样。
作为本地一个幻想出门强抢民男的龙女士的代表,我没有觉得女人象男人一样才是进步;我也不认为男女是敌人;我也没有事事想要超过男性---事实上,大部分人想的应该是把该做的事情做好,事情做的好不好的标准是没有性别因素在里面的。幻儿 wrote:男女社会分工的差异和由此带来的其他差异不全是歧视造成的;女性不必非得像男人一样才是进步;男女不是敌人;女性不必想事事超过男性。tiffany wrote:是这样,here be my question: what exactly is your point?
你可以看出这几句话全带否定词,因为我觉得我感到来自那些方面的压力而想抗拒。
我没有提出来这个,我说的是男女间互补式差异。但是后面有人提出数学男生好还是女生好之类的,这才放到竞争位置上。tiffany wrote:事实上在这个论点提出来之前,没有人把男女放在竞争敌对的位置上,为什么你会把自己摆在这个位置上呢?
研究整体的特点,还是有一点用处的。比如要写书卖书,要讨好大部分读者:加点言情小说套路容易讨好女生;加点与邪恶势力斗争容易讨好男生。还有那些讨论男女关系的书,比如类似火星金星那种,就是建立在generalization和stereotypes的基础上,但是从它的销量和无数衍生书籍就可以看出,这些generalization对每个个体的实际生活是有一定帮助的,而且群众的需求还挺大。tiffany wrote:既然如此,那我们在讨论什么?
且每个个体要分别对待的话,你说的整体而言岂不是抹杀了个体差异而把个体给笼统到整体里而言去了?也不要怪本地大部分幻想着出去强抢民男的女性不理解。
Stereotype 的问题是,大笔一挥,把很多人(包括我)都剥夺了性别权。加点言情小说套路容易讨好女生;加点与邪恶势力斗争容易讨好男生。
没看明白,群众需求跟正面效果&帮助有什么直接联系。流行的东西,错误和反动的多了去了,有害无益的东西也多了去了。真理不是 popularity contest.这些generalization对每个个体的实际生活是有一定帮助的,而且群众的需求还挺大。
另外谢谢Sogno.Throughout the world, boys and girls prefer to play with different types of toys. Boys typically like to play with cars and trucks, while girls typically choose to play with dolls. Why is this? A traditional sociological explanation is that boys and girls are socialized and encouraged to play with different types of toys by their parents, peers, and the “society.” Growing scientific evidence suggests, however, that boys’ and girls’ toy preferences may have a biological origin.
In 2002, Gerianne M. Alexander of Texas A&M University and Melissa Hines of City University in London stunned the scientific world by showing that vervet monkeys showed the same sex-typical toy preferences as humans. In an incredibly ingenious study, published in Evolution and Human Behavior, Alexander and Hines gave two stereotypically masculine toys (a ball and a police car), two stereotypically feminine toys (a soft doll and a cooking pot), and two neutral toys (a picture book and a stuffed dog) to 44 male and 44 female vervet monkeys. They then assessed the monkeys’ preference for each toy by measuring how much time they spent with each. Their data demonstrated that male vervet monkeys showed significantly greater interest in the masculine toys, and the female vervet monkeys showed significantly greater interest in the feminine toys. The two sexes did not differ in their preference for the neutral toys.
We do not yet know exactly why males of different primate species prefer wheeled toys and other vehicles, or why females of different primate species prefer plush toys and other dolls (except for their vague resemblance to babies, for which females are evolutionarily designed to care). However, it is becoming less and less likely that “gender socialization” is the reason why boys and girls prefer different toys, and more and more likely that there are some genetic, hormonal, and other biological reasons for the observed sex differences in toy preference.
其实还是应该跑回去去看原始文献的,这篇文章试图回答的是nature vs nurture的问题,这是个科学问题,不过从猴子怎么能过渡到人,这个就难说了---这个问题先放在这里,我对这个研究的最大不满就是她一个很明显的分析没有做:幻儿 wrote:关于玩具的:Why do boys and girls prefer different toys?
Throughout the world, boys and girls prefer to play with different types of toys. Boys typically like to play with cars and trucks, while girls typically choose to play with dolls. Why is this? A traditional sociological explanation is that boys and girls are socialized and encouraged to play with different types of toys by their parents, peers, and the “society.” Growing scientific evidence suggests, however, that boys’ and girls’ toy preferences may have a biological origin.
In 2002, Gerianne M. Alexander of Texas A&M University and Melissa Hines of City University in London stunned the scientific world by showing that vervet monkeys showed the same sex-typical toy preferences as humans. In an incredibly ingenious study, published in Evolution and Human Behavior, Alexander and Hines gave two stereotypically masculine toys (a ball and a police car), two stereotypically feminine toys (a soft doll and a cooking pot), and two neutral toys (a picture book and a stuffed dog) to 44 male and 44 female vervet monkeys. They then assessed the monkeys’ preference for each toy by measuring how much time they spent with each. Their data demonstrated that male vervet monkeys showed significantly greater interest in the masculine toys, and the female vervet monkeys showed significantly greater interest in the feminine toys. The two sexes did not differ in their preference for the neutral toys.
We do not yet know exactly why males of different primate species prefer wheeled toys and other vehicles, or why females of different primate species prefer plush toys and other dolls (except for their vague resemblance to babies, for which females are evolutionarily designed to care). However, it is becoming less and less likely that “gender socialization” is the reason why boys and girls prefer different toys, and more and more likely that there are some genetic, hormonal, and other biological reasons for the observed sex differences in toy preference.
母猴子平均年龄比公猴子大11.2个月!那我就需要知道年龄阶段对这个倾向有没有影响了。遗憾的是,她没有做这个分析。她这个实验的做法是把某一个玩具放笼子里给一群猴子玩五分钟,然后算contact时间(没看明白怎么算的),这样的实验做法我有很多意见。当然她是做心理学的,我不能要求太高。Subjects were 44 male (mean age 39.2±31.1 months) and 44 female (mean age 50.4±46.5 months) vervet monkeys
单单互补式差异的话,估计没有水花溅起来;问题是你这个互补式差异把广大龙女士的不打算互补差异的选择给整体而言忽略掉了,所以我们说来说去没完没了。幻儿 wrote:我没有提出来这个,我说的是男女间互补式差异。但是后面有人提出数学男生好还是女生好之类的,这才放到竞争位置上。tiffany wrote:事实上在这个论点提出来之前,没有人把男女放在竞争敌对的位置上,为什么你会把自己摆在这个位置上呢?
You are so mean!!!!tiffany wrote: 当然她是做心理学的,我不能要求太高。