大力士的基因

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helenClaire
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大力士的基因

Post by helenClaire » 2004-09-15 12:07

现在研制开发治疗肌肉萎缩的药物里,一类成份是myostatin binding protein。理论依据是myostatin能负面影响肌肉的增长。这个理论不是新东西--盖因药物从研制到上市,成功的话要12-15年时间,所以今天的新药是建立在十几年前的科研成果上,也不稀奇。
却说这个理论在老鼠里早被证明过,最近在非临床实验的人体里找到了标本。德国某地出了一个super baby,一出生就全身肌肉坟起,十分健壮,照片上看极象微型的现任加州州长。四岁的时候双臂伸直了,可以手上各承受七磅的重量而保持平伸--据说这是大部份成年人都做不到的。他的身体里就没有myostatin,所以肌肉得以保存。不象我们常人,不锻炼的话,肌肉变肥肉。
好消息是,这个super baby其它一切似乎正常,如果没有myostatin没有明显父作用,药物成功上市的可能性就增加了。
副消息是,希腊神话里的Hercules没准就是这么一个super baby。
副消息二是,锻炼肌肉的人可能会滥用这个药。
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Post by tiffany » 2004-09-15 12:17

哎,海伦真客气,怎么是可能,简直是一定。
哦,对了,这个baby天生的基因缺陷?我老觉得还得等他那个再长大再长大,再长大,有了下一代,最后才能盖棺定论。
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2004-09-15 12:49

这个我被吓着了。

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Post by 花差花差小将军 » 2004-09-15 13:10

那太好了老子吃了药就尽长肌肉肌肉烧卡路里多我就可以放心多吃简直是商业界滥用惯了的神话般的win-win嘛老子搓着双掌喜心翻倒
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Post by dropby » 2004-09-15 13:28

好消息啊, 真是我这种手无缚鸡之力人的福音.

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Post by helenClaire » 2004-09-15 13:30

这个药不长肌肉,只能一定程度上保持已有的肌肉不消失。

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Post by zephyr » 2004-09-15 13:30

传说中的大力丸啊。 :-P

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Post by Knowing » 2004-09-15 13:47

helenClaire wrote:这个药不长肌肉,只能一定程度上保持已有的肌肉不消失。
认为这很公平啊!凭什么我辛辛苦苦练出来的肌肉要消失?又不是交税! :evil:
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Post by tiffany » 2004-09-15 13:48

叫懒惰税啊。
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Post by silkworm » 2004-09-15 13:49

helenClaire wrote:这个药不长肌肉,只能一定程度上保持已有的肌肉不消失。
这老肌肉不消失有点恐怖,有一个衰老/修复的问题. 疯长而不消亡的细胞不就是癌啥的么. :shock:

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Post by tiffany » 2004-09-15 13:55

没有吧?癌细胞它一个变两个,两个变四个的数目几何倍数往上涨;肌肉细胞,据说就是维持它的大小,数目的不变。
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Post by silkworm » 2004-09-15 14:07

我很保守地想:细胞总归有个寿命,老不死的怕不好使.

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Post by helenClaire » 2004-09-15 14:10

我担心的是心脏心肌,一边是维持已有的,一边是一天二十四小时在收缩扩张地锻炼长新的。。。阀门一爆,呜乎哀哉!

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Post by silkworm » 2004-09-15 14:14

海伦姐姐这个例子更加吓人 :shock: .
不过反过来,这种药对muscle-wasting的患者倒确实是福音.

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Post by helenClaire » 2004-09-15 14:21

正经用途是治疗Muscular Dystrophy 。

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Post by Jun » 2004-09-15 14:28

肌肉当然会越来越少啦, 所以减肥对中年人才这么难嘛. 据说一年要流失掉一磅多的瘦肉呢. 现代化的生活, 肩不挑手不提的, 成天坐着, 肌肉只有越来越少了.

心脏肌肉不同于骨骼肌, 它不会分裂长新的, 死了就死了, 所以心肌梗塞后死掉一块就长不回来啦.

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Post by silkworm » 2004-09-15 14:41

提个问题:
神经细胞,心肌细胞,受损死亡后不能再生,骨骼肌衰老或受损后可以分裂再生。对吗?
那么脂肪细胞是什么情况?是初生后分化好了,就定了细胞总数,以后只会调整细胞大小,还是数量大小全能变?

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Post by tiffany » 2004-09-15 14:51

外周感觉神经好想还是能长回来的。中枢的就不行了。所以脊椎受损了就瘫了。
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Post by helenClaire » 2004-09-15 14:58

Gene Mutation Found in Muscle Man Toddler
By LINDA A. JOHNSON
23 June 2004

(c) 2004. The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.

Somewhere in Germany is a baby Superman, born in Berlin with bulging arm and leg muscles. Not yet 5, he can hold seven-pound weights with arms extended, something many adults cannot do. He has muscles twice the size of other kids his age and half their body fat. DNA testing showed why: The boy has a genetic mutation that boosts muscle growth.

The discovery, reported in Thursday's New England Journal of Medicine, represents the first documented human case of such a mutation.

Many scientists believe the find could eventually lead to drugs for treating people with muscular dystrophy and other muscle-destroying conditions. And athletes would almost surely want to get their hands on such a drug and use it like steroids to bulk up.

The boy's mutant DNA segment was found to block production of a protein called myostatin that limits muscle growth. The news comes seven years after researchers at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore created buff "mighty mice" by "turning off" the gene that directs cells to produce myostatin.

"Now we can say that myostatin acts the same way in humans as in animals," said the boy's physician, Dr. Markus Schuelke, a professor in the child neurology department at Charite/University Medical Center Berlin. "We can apply that knowledge to humans, including trial therapies for muscular dystrophy."

Given the huge potential market for such drugs, researchers at universities and pharmaceutical companies already are trying to find a way to limit the amount and activity of myostatin in the body.

Dr. Lou Kunkel, director of the genomics program at Boston Children's Hospital and professor of pediatrics and genetics at Harvard Medical School, said success is possible within several years.
"Just decreasing this protein by 20, 30, 50 percent can have a profound effect on muscle bulk," said Kunkel.

Muscular dystrophy is the world's most common genetic disease. There is no cure and the most common form, Duchenne's, usually kills before adulthood. The few treatments being tried to slow its progression have serious side effects.

Muscle wasting also is common in the elderly and patients with diseases such as cancer and AIDS.

"If you could find a way to block myostatin activity, you might slow the wasting process," said Dr. Se-Jin Lee, the Johns Hopkins professor whose team created the "mighty mice."

Lee said he believes a myostatin blocker also could suppress fat accumulation and thus thwart the development of diabetes.

Dr. Eric Hoffman, director of Children's National Medical Center's Research Center for Genetic Medicine, said he believes a muscular dystrophy cure will be found, but he is unsure whether it will be a myostatin-blocking drug, another treatment or a combination, because about a dozen genes have some effect on muscles.

He said a mystotatin-blocking drug could help other groups of people, including astronauts and others who lose muscle mass during long stints in zero gravity or when immobilized by illness or a broken limb.

Researchers would not disclose the German boy's identity but said he was born to a somewhat muscular mother, a 24-year-old former professional sprinter. Her brother and three other close male relatives all were unusually strong, with one of them a construction worker able to unload heavy curbstones by hand.

In the mother, one copy of the gene is mutated and the other is normal; the boy has two mutated copies. One almost definitely came from his father, but no information about him has been disclosed. The mutation is very rare in people.

The boy is healthy now, but doctors worry he could eventually suffer heart or other health problems.

In the past few years, scientists have seen great potential in myostatin-blocking strategies.
Internet marketers have been hawking "myostatin-blocking" supplements to bodybuilders, though doctors say the products are useless and perhaps dangerous.

Some researchers are trying to turn off the myostatin gene in chickens to produce more meat per bird. And several breeds of cattle have natural variations in the gene that, aided by selective breeding, give them far more muscle and less fat than other steer.
找到AP的这篇报导,我删了一些段落和句子。

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Post by pomo » 2004-09-15 19:27

说道心肌,我觉得它的力气可真不小啊,那么一小团收缩一下,可以把血液这么粘稠的液体泵到各地,又没有加压站,全靠那几块肌肉。以前小时侯做扫描,那种可以听响的,心脏泵血的声音很有趣,而血流的声音就和我们爬山听到的山涧流水声一模一样。大自然真神奇。

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Post by look » 2004-09-15 21:49

“The boy is healthy now, but doctors worry he could eventually suffer heart or other health problems.

孩子的爹妈就没想过给他补点儿myostatin让他变回正常?

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Post by helenClaire » 2004-09-16 10:49

怎么补啊?药得被送到它发挥作用的地方才有用。只是吃到肚子里,当蛋白质给消化了,转一转又被拿去当制造肌肉的原材料,岂不是更糟?

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Post by silkworm » 2004-09-16 11:39

那就打针,皮下注射,可是剂量忒难掌握了。唉,这mess around with nature的活计真不是好玩儿的。 :evil:

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