昨天借了一DVD，德国点影 <实验>，DAS EXPERIMENT。 故事是根据1971年那个著名的 Stanford University Prison Experiment 改编的。实验的内容大概是模拟监狱，18个加州中产阶级青/中年男子分成两组的扮演罪犯和监狱官。电影结尾1/4处开始杜撰，但是前3/4中几乎每一个incident都是真的。STANFORD 的那个实验原定为2周，但6天后aborted.
电影看完后稍觉心慌气短。到网上查原始实验的资料后心慌气短更甚(the original experiment was fully documented with videos and pictures on a daily basis)。事后关于这个实验的哲学，心里学，社会学方面的诤论生生不息至到今天.
我自己的两滴口水是，实验中的每一个人都是所谓 our everyday normal nice person, and what the heck happened to them? 没有人认为自己是 weak minded. 每个人 都说， 'I have mind of my own'. What really scares me is how easily our so called independent mind can be manipulated. Maybe it is not that easy, but certainly easier than we think, for example, it took only 6 days in this experiment, others like wars, our cultural revolution, even religions (the last word might offend some people, sorry, it is just personal opinion). 人
之处性本善还是恶呢？我猜一半儿一半儿，and it seems like it actully doesn't take much to leash the evil said out.
If you are interested, here are some links:
http://www.prisonexp.org/
http://www.stanford.edu/dept/news/relag ... onexp.html
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I agree. What is shocking to me is in this experiment, it didn’t take much of a push. Things started to go wrong on the second day. Everyone was fully aware that it was just an experiment, and they were hanging out nicely right before the experiment.
I am also curious that if the outcome would be any different if the participants were women instead of men. Probably not much, since in those pictures of the Iraq prison scandal, that female US soldier seemed to enjoy herself just as much.
I am also curious that if the outcome would be any different if the participants were women instead of men. Probably not much, since in those pictures of the Iraq prison scandal, that female US soldier seemed to enjoy herself just as much.
美国人喜欢拿纳粹来当做whipping boy, 让自己感觉特良好, 特别高尚--"我们就做不出那么坏的事来." 但是他们还真做得出. 上礼拜六跟小e去看Viggo Mortensen的小小的摄影展, 题材是某个印第安人部落. 不少照片拍的是他们为纪念The Battle of Wounded Knee流传下来的幽灵舞. 有一张照的是死动物的骨骸, 背景是皮帐篷. 另一张前景是一架老式炮, 正对着背景的许多帐篷小屋. 所有的照片里都弥漫着sadness and anger. 在游客留言簿上却有人写"Lovely!" Lovely个P! 你看不出来他是在骂人吗? 给北美大陆带来文明的欧洲白人, 现在这些道貌岸然的美国人的爷爷辈, 一百五十年前干种族灭绝干得不亦乐乎呢. 现在开一个American Indian Museum, 同时在保留地上生活的印第安人有全国最高的自杀率.
至于我们自己人里有多少有能力从和善友好摇身一变露出迫害同事邻居朋友的丑恶面目, 我就不用解释了吧?
我对人性也是悲观主义的, 不过我也相信在合适的条件下, 大概每个人也都有从善的能力. 环境的因素在决定行为上大大超过基因(即本性). 所以, 如果我们能少一点对"性本善"的盲目信仰, 多一点道德相对论和宽容人的错误, 时刻警惕自己和他人的蜕变, 天下就会太平多了. 但那也是不可能的, 因为人人都喜欢自欺欺人, 宁可相信自己苗红根正没问题.
至于我们自己人里有多少有能力从和善友好摇身一变露出迫害同事邻居朋友的丑恶面目, 我就不用解释了吧?
我对人性也是悲观主义的, 不过我也相信在合适的条件下, 大概每个人也都有从善的能力. 环境的因素在决定行为上大大超过基因(即本性). 所以, 如果我们能少一点对"性本善"的盲目信仰, 多一点道德相对论和宽容人的错误, 时刻警惕自己和他人的蜕变, 天下就会太平多了. 但那也是不可能的, 因为人人都喜欢自欺欺人, 宁可相信自己苗红根正没问题.
The experiment simply illustrated the fact that while we may be able to guide away from immoral behavior, most of us still do damage though amoral behaviors, and doing evil in the name of morality is the way most evil get done anyway.
To ponder whether humans are born good or evil is like to ask whether a magnet possess more South pole or North pole.
People do not always share interest. Period.
And when interests contradict, one's nice is the other's menace.
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To ponder whether humans are born good or evil is like to ask whether a magnet possess more South pole or North pole.
People do not always share interest. Period.
And when interests contradict, one's nice is the other's menace.
The experiment of putting 6-8 gals in one dorm room?vivi wrote:I am also curious that if the outcome would be any different if the participants were women instead of men.
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I agree with dropby on this. It is not a very smart thing to do to put human nature to test. It is more like ‘you want the truth? You CANNOT handle the truth’.
In another well known experiment, the participants were given the power to give electrical shock to whoever answered their questions wrong (the shock wasn’t real of course. The scientists were just faking the pain on the other side of the glass). The result was most of the people increased the voltage of the shock, some of them even to a brutal level. Afterwards they were given the detailed the report on their behaviors. When they found out what they were capable of doing, they got pretty depressed.
I meant the Stanford Prison Experiment with female participants.
In another well known experiment, the participants were given the power to give electrical shock to whoever answered their questions wrong (the shock wasn’t real of course. The scientists were just faking the pain on the other side of the glass). The result was most of the people increased the voltage of the shock, some of them even to a brutal level. Afterwards they were given the detailed the report on their behaviors. When they found out what they were capable of doing, they got pretty depressed.
The experiment of putting 6-8 gals in one dorm room?
I meant the Stanford Prison Experiment with female participants.