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[分享]URGENT REQUEST

Post by Knowing » 2008-09-23 9:19

DEAR AMERICAN:

I NEED TO ASK YOU SUPPORT AN URGENT SECRET BUSSINESS RELATIONSHIP WITH TRANSFER OF FUNDS OF GREAT MAGNITUDE.

I AM MINISTRY OF TREASURY OF THE REPUBLIC OF AMERICA. MY COUNTRY HAS HAD CRISIS THAT HAD CAUSED THE NEED FOR LARGE TRANSFER OF FUNDS OF 800 BILLION DOLLARS USD. IF YOU WOULD ASSIST ME IN THS TRANSFER, IT WOULD BE MOST PROFITABLE TO YOU.

I WORKING WITH MR. PHIL GRAM, LOBBYIST FOR UBS, WHO WILL BE MY REPLACEMENT AS MINISTRY OF THE TREASURY IN JANUARY. AS A SENATOR, YOU MAY KNOW HIM AS LEADER OF THE AMERICAN BANKING DEREGULATION MOVEMENT IN THE 1990S. THIS TRANSACTIN IS 100% SAFE.

THIS IS A MATTER OF GREAT URGENCY. WE NEED A BLANK CHECK. WE NEED THIS FUNDS AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. WE CANNOT DIRECTLY TRANSFER THESE FUNDS IN THE NAMES OF OUR CLOSE FRIENDS BECAUSE WE ARE CONSTANTLY UNDER SURVEILLANCE. MY FAMILY LAWYER ADVISED ME THAT I SHOULD LOOK FOR A RELIABLE AND TRUSTWORTHY PERSON WHO WILL ACT AS A NEXT OF KIN SO THE FUNDS CAN BE TRANSFERRED.

PLEASE REPLY WITH ALL OF YOUR BANK ACCOUNT, IRA AND COLLEGE FUND ACCOUNT NUMBERS AND THOSE OF YOUR CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN TO WALLSTREETBAILOUT@TREASURY.GOV SO THAT WE MAY TRANSFER YOUR COMMISSION FOR THIS TRANSACTION. AFTER I RECEIVE THAT INFORMATION, I WILL RESPOND WITH DETAILED INFORMATION ABOUT SAFEGUARDS THAT WILL BE USED TO PROTECT THE FUNDS.

YOURS FAITHFULLY
MINISTER OF TREASURY PAULSON
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Post by Knowing » 2008-09-23 9:19

I can imagine how the Nigerians are cracking up:"IT IS FUNNY! BUT SAD! BUT FUNNY!"
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Post by Jun » 2008-09-23 9:30

One of the few times inside Fabvalley that I can't help but boast about being childless.
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Post by 火星狗 » 2008-09-23 9:33

其实在这件事情上我比较相信Paulson和Benack的判断,当然I am nobody and my opinion is unimportant and irrelevant。也许这700B会打水漂,但是我不觉得他们和小树丛一样是出于对特殊利益阶层的考虑。看他们怎么让LEH破产和接管AIG的狠劲,我觉得把纳税人的钱放在他们手里也许并不是一个坏主意。而且以我对金融系统两眼一抹黑的知识背景,这两个人的判断肯定比我superior无数倍。十有八九暴风雨是避免不了的,也许这两个人都是作的无用功,也许they can help a little。
如果是爱,就怎么也不可怕。
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Post by 火星狗 » 2008-09-23 9:47

我今天看到的,也不知道对不对,这700B看起来是个天文数字,事实上连最亟需救援的次贷市场都补不上,还有个大缺口。后面还有一系列次糟糕的X市场,Y市场,Z市场。现在其实是恐慌情绪,人人都想保住自己手里的cash?也许我们大家最后会一起掉到hell深处的。
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Post by joe_cool » 2008-09-23 11:20

US Mint会狠狠地忙一阵子吧?
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Post by 小虫放屁暗自惊的崇拜者 » 2008-09-23 11:43

火星狗 wrote:其实在这件事情上我比较相信Paulson和Benack的判断,当然I am nobody and my opinion is unimportant and irrelevant。也许这700B会打水漂,但是我不觉得他们和小树丛一样是出于对特殊利益阶层的考虑。看他们怎么让LEH破产和接管AIG的狠劲,我觉得把纳税人的钱放在他们手里也许并不是一个坏主意。而且以我对金融系统两眼一抹黑的知识背景,这两个人的判断肯定比我superior无数倍。十有八九暴风雨是避免不了的,也许这两个人都是作的无用功,也许they can help a little。
是不是跟精英政权的道理一样?选一个像凯撒大帝那样的,然后把权力都交给他.省得我们这些民众傻乎乎每四年就要头痛选谁?

昨晚听这个来着:Unprecedented Power Shift In Bailout, Prof Warns 很恐怖.好像在看HBO的"ROME", 重新上演凯撒大帝了这是?那obama上台是不是就变成octavian了?! :evil:
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Post by Jun » 2008-09-23 12:21

我倒,现在都激动起来了,每个月花10个比林在伊拉克大家都没有怨言,政府随便儿窃听民众电话都无所谓,随便把人(本地白人哦)关进黑屋子几个月一年都没起诉,家人都见不着,这倒没声音了。这些民主斗士都是从哪儿冒出来啊?
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Post by tiffany » 2008-09-23 12:26

大家看得到的钱比较容易让大家激动
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Post by 火星狗 » 2008-09-23 12:33

关键是能不能让人看到,每个月10B的账单都给藏起来了,现在这700B时时讲分分讲,当然群众反应大,不过也的确蛮多的,可以打70个月的仗!

嗯,我模仿宣布人类一定会下地狱的牧师的口气说,经济一定会完蛋的,人类又greedy又selfish,collective intellegence又是个负数。不过我也没什么好高兴的,大概也就从being childless这个事实中得到一点凄凉的good feeling吧。

I am very curious to know what's ahead waiting for us.
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Post by Knowing » 2008-09-23 12:34

你们也别着急了。看看AIG那榜样。700比林是要拿出来的,但是不一定都会亏掉,保森那么精明,多则七折少则二折,给咱买好多垃圾贷款回来,外加各大公司股份一堆,没准还有的赚。什么叫人民翻身当家做主?这就是人民翻身当家做主。 :mrgreen: 谁说美国不是社会主义我跟谁急。
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Post by 火星狗 » 2008-09-23 12:40

小K你真可爱。 :mrgreen: 不过联邦从资本家手里诈出钱来也未必用在咱们群众身上,搞不好继续去填某个无底洞……一定要把帅哥选上去!

没良心的说,的确有点滑稽,从一个半礼拜前的自由市场突然搞成高度中央集权的社会主义,群众还一点意见没有,之前几十年资本主义和社会主义之争看来都是闲得无聊……
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Post by Jun » 2008-09-23 12:43

行内人当然不干啦,现在propose 的立法里面,要求如果公司被政府接管CEO 就拿不到金子降落伞,靠,那哪儿行啊,还不拼命反对。

都说美国要变中国了,嘿嘿,至少中国因为这几年没跟世界金融接轨,逃避了越南和四小龙在国际自由市场里被打得鼻青脸肿的后果。
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Post by 火星狗 » 2008-09-23 12:48

以前是狼狈为奸,现在是联邦的利益和资本家的利益直接对上了,看谁拼得过谁,看热闹的说。

中国会不会变美国? :mrgreen:
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Post by tiffany » 2008-09-23 13:17

Knowing wrote:你们也别着急了。看看AIG那榜样。700比林是要拿出来的,但是不一定都会亏掉,保森那么精明,多则七折少则二折,给咱买好多垃圾贷款回来,外加各大公司股份一堆,没准还有的赚。什么叫人民翻身当家做主?这就是人民翻身当家做主。 :mrgreen: 谁说美国不是社会主义我跟谁急。
恩对,今天早晨npr还说我们美国人民是什么队什么队和什么队的所有者了,难道不让人高兴么? :mrgreen:

周酷同学这个签名还挺适合当今形势的。
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Post by Knowing » 2008-09-23 13:26

WAIT WAIT DON'T TELL ME 还说呢,咱们交税的人现在都阔了,AIG 也是咱们的了,房地产也是咱们的了, 下回坐飞机再晚点,咱直奔机场贵宾室歇着去。 :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Post by gigi » 2008-09-23 13:40

Yeah! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Post by joe_cool » 2008-09-23 13:59

周酷这个名字我喜欢, :admir002: 我以后就用它了。多谢白金。 
 
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Post by 火星狗 » 2008-09-23 14:46

原来是Paulson不愿意去掉金降落伞,哎,生活真是复杂。

我发现民主党议员比较天真可爱,更有共产主义精神,要去掉金降落伞,还要补贴交不起房贷的穷人。
如果是爱,就怎么也不可怕。
只是梦境而已。

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Post by Jun » 2008-09-23 17:04

不仅是民主党哦,McCain 大叔说,CEO 的年薪不能超过政府最高薪水,就是总统啦,四十万一年啦。可惜人家没有身价几十亿的好老婆,大概不会买账的。
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Post by 火星狗 » 2008-09-23 17:28

McCain大叔说的不算,现在他和帅哥两个人满嘴跑火车,个人信用都快破产了。
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2008-09-23 18:14

ceo 的薪资并不是ceo 说了算。是由公司董事会决定,并且跟整个市场的同类位子水准相关。如果公司是政府控股的,甚至整个市场都需要政府控制了,当然政府可以干涉。
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Post by Jun » 2008-09-23 18:16

当然他们只能管到被政府买下来的公司,其他的公司他们管不着。
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Post by pomo » 2008-09-23 20:00

美国要变中国了?
这是又一个里程碑,芝加哥学派轰然倒下和新古典主义的灭亡。下面我们该相信什么呢?

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Post by Jun » 2008-09-24 7:07

1?GS 要吊起来卖了,Buffett 要进去了。哎,Feds 再不进去买恐怕要错过低价没钱赚了。
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Post by joe_cool » 2008-09-24 7:27

难不成真的是'上赶着不是买卖'?
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Post by 火星狗 » 2008-09-24 8:40

昨晚上传投50亿,今天传100亿。

Paulson的计划也好像要完蛋的样子。

其实我也无所谓,自然cycle也不错啊,恶性竞争死了一批剩下的日子就好过了。

因为喜欢金降落伞不惜硬landfall,那也没办法呀。
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Post by 花差花差小将军 » 2008-09-24 8:57

Jun wrote:1?GS 要吊起来卖了,Buffett 要进去了。哎,Feds 再不进去买恐怕要错过低价没钱赚了。
TNND 当年巴菲不是买过索罗门兄弟的 也不是第一次了。兵败如山倒阿TNND 我很痛心很痛心
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Post by Knowing » 2008-09-24 9:42

我倒是感慨GS 这会还能卖出这么好的价钱,他们肯定怕财政部条件苛刻。其实怎么会呢,保森也是自己人。。。
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Post by joe_cool » 2008-09-24 9:52

Knowing wrote:保森也是自己人。。。
可不是咋的。宝森从MBA毕业到两年前离开private sector,在GS工作了32年,从fresh out of school一直作到CEO。他要是把自己当外人,连我这个白眼狼都不信。
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Post by Knowing » 2008-09-25 7:08

为什么你是白眼狼?
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Post by 豪情 » 2008-09-25 7:27

Knowing wrote:我倒是感慨GS 这会还能卖出这么好的价钱,他们肯定怕财政部条件苛刻。其实怎么会呢,保森也是自己人。。。
也拦不住国会各议员往法案里夹带私货呀.
现在这个法案恐怕要打不少折扣.

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Post by 火星狗 » 2008-09-25 8:41

看到一个加州的政治学教授对记者说:这个法案肯定会通过的,不过听证会是很必要的,这样国会才知道保森要什么,保森才知道国会要什么,然后大家的需求都得到满足,然后就可以了。看得我恍然大悟。
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Post by joe_cool » 2008-09-25 9:45

Knowing wrote:为什么你是白眼狼?
白眼狼我理解是指形容人无情无义,冷酷无情,忘恩负义。  :dog001: :action077:
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Post by Knowing » 2008-09-25 9:57

我知道什么是白眼狼。我是好奇你为什么这么自卑。
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Post by joe_cool » 2008-09-25 10:19

白眼狼就是那么一说,我对人和事比较detached,对公司就更没有所谓的loyalty了。
很多时候我自称白眼狼算是警告别人别指望我的热情回报。等一下,这种行为好象是能反应我的一些心理。。。 :monkey001:

不过象宝森这样能干的人在同一个公司干32年,肯定是非常有感情的。
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Post by Jun » 2008-09-25 11:03

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... d=95026117
Finding Alternatives To Bailout Proposal
by John Ydstie

Morning Edition, September 25, 2008 ・ President Bush, the Treasury secretary and the Federal Reserve chairman have all suggested we have no choice: One way or another, they've said, the economy is in danger without a $700 billion bailout of the financial services industry. But the original bailout plan is changing in Congress, and outside economists have suggested different approaches.

Simon Johnson, a former chief economist at the International Monetary Fund, had a note of disbelief in his voice as he described the proposal made by the Bush administration Friday.

"Seven hundred billion dollars of taxpayer money has been put on the table at the express request of a Republican administration to bail out banks, bank managers, bank shareholders, bank creditors," Johnson said.

He doesn't think the administration's idea of taking distressed mortgage securities off the hands of financial institutions is the right approach. He says it's a backdoor way of injecting money into the firms, boosting their capital and making them more willing to lend again.

Johnson and a number of other prominent economists suggest a Warren Buffet approach instead: Buy shares in the company.

"You don't want to do this in a halfhearted, backdoor way," he said. "You gotta be transparent, come all out, go for preferred shares for the government in return for new capital. Wall Street is not going to like it, but that's tough. We're way beyond only doing things that Wall Street likes."

'If It's A Dog, It's Your Problem'

Johnson thinks there's another approach that would be superior to the Treasury's plan ― giving government loans to the struggling financial firms and taking their distressed mortgage securities as collateral.

"Think of it like this: If you need some cash, and you have a secondhand car that's in pretty dubious condition, if I buy the car from you and the car turns out to be a complete dog, that's my problem," he explained. "But if I lend you money against the collateral of that car, ultimately you're going to pay back the loan, and it's your car so if it's a dog it's your problem."

So, by not buying the distressed securities that are the equivalent of the used car, taxpayers aren't holding the bag if the securities turn out to be dogs. But the financial firms do get the money they need in the form of a loan to help them get on their feet again.

The Japanese Model

On Wednesday, as he answered questions before the House Financial Services Committee, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson critiqued some of the alternatives to his approach. He said it's a bad idea to inject capital into banks without removing their troubled assets, calling it "the Japanese solution."

During its financial crisis in the 1990s, Japan propped up its failing banks instead of forcing them to get rid of bad assets, and the country stagnated for a decade.

"They were in a very long recession for many years. You know, you put capital in the banks, and the government is essentially in many ways running them," Paulson said.

There are many other alternatives to Paulson's plan ― among them, forcing banks to stop paying out dividends in order to build up their capital, or suspending capital-gains taxes to make financial institutions more profitable, an idea being pushed by Republican lawmakers.

Open To Alternatives

Democrats are supporting other measures, including providing funds to help homeowners facing foreclosure. After all, it's foreclosures that are making those mortgage-backed securities toxic.

Many of the alternatives have made their way into draft legislation, and some will probably make it into the final bill. The administration has softened its all-or-nothing approach. In Wednesday's hearing, Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke seemed open to using some of the alternatives to attack the problem.

"It's the intention of the secretary, certainly I would advise him to be flexible and respond to conditions as they change, and if this process is not working effectively, there are other ways to use this money that will, again, purchase assets or purchase capital and support the banking system," Bernanke said.

Negotiations over the final shape of the rescue plan continue Thursday.
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