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一把心酸泪啊

Posted: 2005-11-21 14:15
by tiffany
没想到nature对此事情有报道,耶鲁大学险些推学生。我的个人经验其实很好,我们学校小,从来没听说过有谁为了任何原因受到退学威胁。但是,兔死狐悲,总是这样的啊。
[quote]http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v4 ... 8a.html#a1

News Feature
Nature 438, 278-279 (17 November 2005) | doi:10.1038/438278a

Chinese students in the US: Taking a stand
Geoff Brumfiel1
Geoff Brumfiel is Nature's Washington DC physical sciences correspondent.
Abstract A protest by Chinese graduate students at Yale University has revealed the plight of a vulnerable workforce in US labs. Geoff
Brumfiel investigates.Last month, Xuemei Han was at her wit's end. A second-year graduate student in the Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology at Yale University, she was facing expulsion. Efforts to transfer to the university's forestry school had failed, and it looked as though the 26-year-old might have to return to China within a matter of weeks. "I had a lot of pressure on me, and I did not feel confident anymore," she says. In June, Han had been told that she was "not in good academic standing" with her department ― an accusation she disputed. She had passed her qu
alifying exams at the first attempt and, after a few more tries, her required language exam as well. So she did something that many Chinese graduate students would never dream of doing: on 20 October she filed a complaint against Yale, accusing the university of treating Chinese students unfairly. The only Chinese student in her department, Han wrote in her complaint that she suspected professors were reluctant to work with her because they thought she would need extra help preparing manuscripts and grant proposals.
Her grievance quickly gained a high profile on campus and beyond. Three other graduate students filed supporting testimonials that detailed problems they had experienced in their departments, and just over half of the 274 Chinese graduate students at Yale signed a statement backing her.
The case garnered media coverage in the United States and even made the evening news in China. Within a week, university administrators relented and allowed Han to transfer to the department of forestry, where she had found an adviser willing to support her.
Yale flatly denies any accusations of discrimination against Chinese students. Department members and administration officials declined to comment on the details of Han's case for legal reasons, but in a statement, Yale spokesman Tom Conroy said: "Yale has a long standing tradition of being a welcoming and supportive university for international students, and especially those from China."
Whether or not it was discrimination, Han's story taps into a rarely seen vein of discontent among Chinese students and postdocs across the country. Chinese nationals are by far the largest group of foreign academics working in US universities. Between 1985 and 2000, some 26,500 Chinese students earned science and engineering PhDs in the United States ― more than double the number of students from all of Western Europe, according to the National Science Foundation. And a recent survey of postdocs by scientific research society Sigma Xi in Research Triangle Park, North Carolina, showed that Chinese postdocs tend to work longer hours for less pay than their American counterparts (see graphic).GESO
Yale students rally to highlight the problems faced by Chinese postdocs working in the United States.
Culture shock
Many Chinese come to the United States to participate in cutting-edge research, but must first overcome language barriers, cultural differences and visa hassles. They frequently feel isolated from their US lab-mates. And although all graduate students are at the mercy of their advisers, foreign students are especially vulnerable. They lack alternative options, so a disagreement or funding problem is all that it takes for them to be sent back to China. "A lot of people live in fear," says Cong Huang, president of the Association of Chinese Students and Scholars at Yale and a third-year graduate student in the statistics department. The high percentage of Chinese in the lab is no coincidence. US researchers are happy to recruit academically gifted Chinese scholars, while the
best and brightest Chinese are drawn to the country by research opportunities that they cannot get at home.That opportunity is what brought Han from Inner Mongolia to Yale in 2003. She received her undergraduate and master's degree in ecology from Beijing Normal University, but had never travelled outside China. "Ecology research has only just started in China, so my professors recommended that I study here," she recalls. She was ecstatic when she learned that Yale had admitted her to a PhD program
me with funding from a Fan Family Fellowship, which supports Chinese students.
But shortly after arriving in the United States, Han ran into difficulty. Like many Chinese students, she had studied English extensively in China, but that training focused primarily on reading and writing, not speaking. "The first semester was very hard," she says. "In physics and other departments, there are other Chinese graduate students who can help, but I was the only one in my department."
Han's experience is not unusual. Many Chinese students have trouble fitting in when they first reach the United States, according to Hongwen Zhu, a graduate student at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York. Zhu says many students are embarrassed to admit that they don't understand what is being asked of them, or they are reluctant to raise their concerns vocally with their professors. "Most Chinese students tend to be very quiet, and this is a very big problem," he says.
Han made steady progress in her language skills, but it came at a cost. She was unable to teach, a requirement of her department, and she had trouble finding a research adviser.
On the edge
Still, Han was shocked to learn in June that she was no longer in good standing with her programme. The department told her that without an adviser she would be expelled from the programme on 31 August. With help from members of the ecology department, Han eventually found someone who was willing to advise her in Yale's forestry school. But when she tried to transfer, she was informed that she would lose the Fan Family Fellowship.
Foreign students and postdocs frequently run into these sorts of funding problems, says Ji-Cheng Wang, a postdoc cancer researcher at City of Hope Hospital in Duarte, California. Unlike American students, who can switch advisers if necessary, many foreigners are financially tied to their principal investigator (PI). "If anything happens to the PI then the student is put at risk," Wang says.
This relationship can put students in a precarious position. When Wei Fu, not his real name, moved from Peking University to became a postdoc at a midwestern university, he was hoping for a chance to expand his own research career in biophysics. Instead, Fu's lab director asked him to devote most of his time to existing experiments. "I didn't have much independence, I didn't feel free," he says. When Fu told the PI of his unhappiness, he found himself suddenly out of a job. He had just three months to scramble for a new position, or risk expulsion from the country. Eventually, he managed to find a position at a lab in California. "You can i
magine that I was very stressed," he says.
That stress has been exacerbated by recent US and Chinese immigration policy. Most international students and scholars get a multiple-entry visa for the duration of their studies, but Chinese students must reapply for a new visa every six months. That is an improvement over the old rules, which required students to reapply each time they left the country, but it still causes trouble for researchers such as Yangheng Zheng, a postdoc studying high-energy physics at the University of California, Los Angeles. While conducting graduate research at the University of Hawaii, Zheng frequently travelled between the United States and Japan, and each trip required a new visa both ways. "In three years I used up all of my passport's pages," he says. Although the situation is better now, there are still problems, he says. Two months ago, on his latest excursion to CERN, the European particle-physics lab, he ended up stuck in Geneva for three weeks waiting for a US security check.
GESO
Speaking out: Xuemei Han addresses students protesting at her possible expulsion from Yale University.
Sink or swim
There is little consensus in the Chinese community over how serious these issues are. Some students and postdocs that Nature spoke to said they had not encountered significant problems, and many reported strong relationships with their advisers, who helped them resolve issues. "The people I know are very nice to me," says Ye Jin, a postdoc in molecular biology at the University of California, Berkeley. "When I try to write papers and proposals my PI has been very patient and corrects my grammar. She has been very encouraging."
"Language is not a barrier if you are willing to learn," adds Grace Wong, the president of Student Vision, a Boston-based group that helps students find jobs in biotechnology. "If your skills are good and you're willing to work really hard, any boss will love you."SOURCE: G. DAVIS/SIGMA XI But Huang disagrees. "We really appreciate that the university gives us the chance to come here and study," he says. "But even if you work hard, sometimes you still have the risk of being kicked out because of a funding problem or a disagreement with your adviser." Huang's group, together with Yale's Graduate Employees and Student Organization, is now asking for modifications to the university's grievance process for international students.
Regardless of whether the issues are real or perceived, the United States has seen a decline in Chinese graduate students in recent years. First-time enrolments were down 8% in the 2003

Re: 一把心酸泪啊

Posted: 2005-11-21 14:35
by silkworm
But Huang disagrees. "We really appreciate that the university gives us the chance to come here and study," he says. "But even if you work hard, sometimes you still have the risk of being kicked out because of a funding problem or a disagreement with your adviser."
Duh.

Posted: 2005-11-21 14:38
by tiffany
其实这个有点属于:“sh*t happens”的范畴。关键是留学生太容易受太大影响。
这个故事在一次教育我们:组织还是重要的。

Posted: 2005-11-21 14:40
by 老麦
从我的专业来讲,与其说歧视中国学生,不如说歧视中国学研究/qualitative方法论。每次跟系里非比政专业的老师聊天,都有这种感觉。

Posted: 2005-11-21 15:04
by 豪情
太长了只简略看了一下. 教授也要为自己的PHD学生负责, 也希望教出来的学生将来在同行里功成名就, 这都是关系网. 因为语言不过关不要, 不算歧视吧. 尤其是以培养学术界教育界人才为目的的地方. 和招个POSTDOC, TECHNICIAN来干活不一样. COMMUNICATION SKILLS 也不光是语言本身, 就是NATIVE SPEAKER, 也有写作演讲讲课能力差不受欢迎的.
到美国的中国留学生下降不是坏事, 说明有更多选择和出路了. 大概和签证和BG CHECK有关系.
老麦说的是真的歧视.

Posted: 2005-11-21 15:31
by silkworm
同意白金。我另一个感想是系里同胞少,不好办事------要搁在同胞多的系里,至少可以趁早跟朋友们打商量,不用擎等被学校的衙门当球儿踢。

老麦同学的发言没看懂。

Posted: 2005-11-21 19:01
by tiffany
老麦同学感叹的乃是专业歧视,484给同行当成不科学的学科了? :mrgreen:
不过不看统计数字我还真不知道有这么多中国人在实验室里了。不过说起来,工作时间长短的话,据我观察,主要看人,但凡有野心热爱工作的工作时间都长,倒无关国籍。

Posted: 2005-11-21 21:02
by ravaged
哦上次出去吃饭碰上一个这女孩的同学,还说到这事儿来者。好象yale是挺不地道的,不让她转系(我当时听到的不是因为funding问题,而就是不让,也许有误)。有些学校有些系就是不待见中国学生啦,我都碰上好几次了。

Posted: 2005-11-21 22:50
by moth
我倒是觉得这事情说明斗争是挺重要的。可是伴随的压力又太大,不晓得算不算得不偿失。

Posted: 2005-11-25 22:55
by 森林的火焰
我们老板正想着把实验室搬去新建的Gladstone Institute,问我想不想去。
我一打听,据说以后中国学生要每年回国签证,就不打算去了,不过还没敢跟老板说,他会失望的。等我的转基因老鼠生了,再讨论这个问题吧。

Posted: 2005-11-28 11:42
by tiffany
转基因老鼠!蛙塞,做这个啊?我很那个哈的说:如果是phd的话,有点冒险。不过已经快生了,那还真是不错!
你们转的是哪个基因啊? :chicken001:

Posted: 2005-11-29 10:00
by 森林的火焰
谁说的,DNA还砸在我手里呢。人家ES中心非要等我做出个wild type的southernblot才给做转化,气死了。最近一直在攻这个关呢。多少生化的都做出来了,就southernblot难住了。
这不是老板信任咱嘛。。。当然我也同时做做这个蛋白的生化,不然真孤注一掷啊。
我是打算做conditional knockout,一个chromatin-remodeling complex的基因。

Posted: 2005-11-29 10:26
by tiffany
蛙塞,你们那儿还有个es中心啊!真洋。做conditional knockout啊?真正勇攀科学高峰啊,我崇拜敬仰的说。

Posted: 2005-11-29 10:48
by tautou
我搬个小板凳在两个科学青年楼下绕脑子了 :twisted: