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影评:Brokeback Mountain

Posted: 2006-01-09 9:47
by Jun
如小e说的,我终于看了这部片子,主要还是被ebert网页上的Jim Emmerson的一句"Who's affraid of Riding the Brokeback?"给激出来的。

看完后并没有改变对李安作为导演的看法。个人以为他要么是overrated,要么就是我没看出他的好处来。如果单单从电影艺术的角度来看,其实这部片子是很直白地照本宣科,编剧和导演都没有在原著上加太多自己的创作。只有两个主演,给故事添加了色彩,让它丰满起来,可是还不够。

基本上没有太感动,还不如看金刚来得感动,不过也不算不喜欢,看的时候相当喜欢,不过原因并非喜欢里面的爱情故事。

原著其实在本质上相当俗套,但是作者利用了粗犷(grizzled)的画面和语言,隐忍朴素的词句,和极短的篇幅隐藏了故事本身的弱点和(可能)她自己对男同性恋者心理的不了解。尤其是男主角的平凡,包括外表,心理和教育,文化和认知上的局限,才让人勉强信服两人跨越二十年的忠贞爱情。我一向觉得两个男演员太漂亮了,不合适,虽然他们演得很好,很真诚,甚至可以说之间颇有chemistry。Heath Ledger在里面的作用让我不能不想起Halle Berry在Monster's Ball里面,表演是很好很好的,可惜太漂亮,太glamorous了,破坏了气氛和可信度,distracting。而且在后半段里Ledger越来越老,女儿都十九了,他的脸上还光滑如旧,简直有点可笑了。

也不知是编导太过subtle了,还是李安缺乏artistic vision,我觉得他们浪费了许多可以充实原作的机会,尤其是小时候Ennis和他父亲的关系,Ennis和周围环境的关系,Ennis有限的社会能力,对“外面世界”的无知,和穷困对他的生活的影响。Jack Twist是怎么死的,小说里故意留下疑问,并没有提出否认他太太的说法(事故)的证据,但是从Ennis角度来说认定是"They got him with the crowbar"主观上是合理的。而电影不划分明显的视角,这么闪一下儿,太懒惰了,太黏答答不象话。这两个关键的部分需要编导好好地挖掘一下,拿个准主意,却被他们模模糊糊地敷衍过去了,加的戏都是些不言而明的废话。

但是另一方面,我不得不承认,用两个年轻漂亮的男演员,大大增加了床戏的可观性。我觉得李安是算计到了观众对床戏的接受程度。在光线不足的帐篷里,看不清是两个老爷们儿在接吻,倒也不是不能接受。我当时想象了一下面目平庸,脸上长粉刺,瘦精精的两个男孩子搂在一起热烈做爱,忍不住打了个寒战。而后来Jack多半变成挺胸凸肚的中年人,而Ennis变成邋邋遢遢油腻的土鳖,唉,也只好接受电影的选择。

说到床戏,另一个问题就来了---太少了,比小说更加小心地回避两人之间的肉体关系。本来已经够抽象了,"All we have is the Brokeback Mountain"。 他连"a couple of high-altitude fucks a year"都不拿出来具体的,太纯情了吧?小说结构本来就缺少一个明显的第三幕和高潮冲突,放在电影里这个问题就更加明显。后半部分来来回回的叙述Ennis的无聊生活和两人衣冠整齐地在山上吵架,太sanitized,太干净平淡了。

说了这么多批评,为什么还说看的时候挺喜欢呢?

第一,虽然戏剧性不够,情节发展缓慢,我却趁这机会观察中西部地区农村生活的细节,那些无穷无尽的绵羊,山里搭帐篷下冰雹的景色,小镇上的酒吧和deli,跟着country music跳西部舞的老头老太,Michelle Williams在水槽里搓衣服,豆子罐头,Jack开的破卡车。。。所有这些我不熟悉的生活和环境,让我觉得很有兴趣。

第二,不仅选用两个极其公开的直男演员,而且在片中尽量减弱两人的gayness,制造出一种相当有趣的效果。这部片子跟其他以同性恋为题材的作品很不同的地方在于两人言行都跟heterosexual men几乎没有两样。这也是为什么此片激起社会上那么强烈的恐惧感的原因。美国社会的homophobia有个很特别的现象,就是直男人都害怕自己可能隐藏着的弯倾向,怕到了神经质的地步。Larry David的笑话说出了很多人的心声:If two cowboys, male icons who are 100 percent all-man, can succumb, what chance to do I have, half- to a quarter of a man, depending on whom I'm with at the time? I'm a very susceptible person, easily influenced, a natural-born follower with no sales-resistance.

全片里面,Gyllanhaal和Ledger之间的打打闹闹,甚至深情款款,都这么象直男人之间的真实写照。直男人也这样难以开口表达感情,也喜欢推搡好友,也看重同性之间义气友情,他们甚至更加喜欢拉了死党上山钓鱼,他们在婚姻里的烦恼和不满跟Jack, Ennis恐怕没啥不同。看着银幕上的两个人,恐怕他们看到了自己,才怕得要命的。如果影视里的弯男人都象Will and Grace里面那样stereotypical,人们倒比较容易接受。


我一向对直男社会对弯男的恐惧很好奇。为什么直女对弯女就没这么害怕呢?我老早看过一部Gina Gershon和Jennifer Tilly的蕾丝边电影,一点也没觉得有威胁,不过也没被turned on。过去我以为或许直男都有深藏的同性恋倾向,害怕被唤醒,好像Kinsey的1-6理论。现在我又有个理论:这类的homophobia是个美国社会特定的文化现象。因为美国宗教势力一向宣扬同性恋是个人选择不是生理现象,推理下来,有人选择变弯当然是因为做弯人有其吸引力,而且结论是直人可以被教弯。这样一来,把广大直男群众都吓坏了。还有一个原因,就是男性对自己的masculinity特别敏感,因为他们在社会里的价值和地位从古到今都是建立在他们的sexual dominance上。而女人不必,她们的价值和地位是建立在母性角色上,所以sexuality对她们的地位威胁不那么大。

当然这些理论都是胡思乱想,没有真正的依据。

去年的Million Dollar Baby也是这样,有些人非常感动,而我完全不感动,也看不出导演拍摄上的高明来。

Posted: 2006-01-09 10:10
by Elysees
啊,你终于看了,哈哈

Posted: 2006-01-09 10:12
by tiffany
this movie is supposedly banned in the state of Idaho, or somewhere midwest
:mrgreen:

Posted: 2006-01-09 10:15
by DeBeers
Utah :-D

Posted: 2006-01-09 10:17
by tiffany
oh, I see, so a guy can marry like 9 wives, if he believes in the right riligion, but cannot have one single guy lover, especially if he believes in the right riligion. tough ah tough :mrgreen:

Posted: 2006-01-09 10:22
by Elysees
I only thought I would be banned in Wyoming :frog:

so there's not at all a gay Mormon?

Posted: 2006-01-09 10:26
by silkworm
Please refer to Angels in America. :party003:

Posted: 2006-01-09 11:43
by Knowing
而且在后半段里Ledger越来越老,女儿都十九了,他的脸上还光滑如旧,简直有点可笑了。
舍不得哇... :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Posted: 2006-01-09 12:26
by Elysees
哎Jun你太冷酷了,范特西也有范特西的动人之处嘛

Posted: 2006-01-09 14:02
by lindamm
偶一看jun开写的断背山影评就跳进来看,直到jun肯定写得特别冷静,但还是被吓了一跳。

偶和老公一起去看的时候他就说原著的对话粗俗多了,而戏里的Ennis是不知道在说些什莫――总在压着嗓子学乡下人说话(偶某同事叫Innes,偶不喜欢他,就借着说讨厌Ennis懦弱,从不去努力争取和Jack的感情大骂那个Innes) :twisted:

在Utah被禁止简直太有可能了,偶当时一堆同学都是从那里出来的,还有摩门教徒。

Posted: 2006-01-09 14:42
by silkworm
我一个小挑刺儿的意见:Wyoming超出中西部的范围了哈。(中西部农村还更平凡无趣些,风景都无。)

俩人四年后重逢那一段,我还挺感动的 :oops: :oops: :oops: 。一点不觉得是两个男人拥吻。

Posted: 2006-01-10 0:05
by 密斯张三
关于这个homophobia, 我觉得有的直男不光是害怕自己潜在的弯,还要色厉内荏的宣布自己的直,上次在电影院排队就听见几个小伙一个比一个大声的说,“我是决不会去看断背山的”“我也不会!”

masculinity/dominance这个主题,也可以解释人们对gay的一种stereotype,觉得他们sissy,脂粉气。是否和性行为模式有关?强弱?攻守?对同性恋不了解的人,常常问出类似“你们谁扮男的谁扮女的”的问题。但我觉得这个问题重点不在性别,而在地位。

另,小说中Ennis(?)的父亲毒打他一节,我一直没有懂。是源于对自身性征的否认?再问下去要变生理卫生课目了,但我想并不是作者闲笔。

Posted: 2006-01-10 5:40
by xp
Jack不曾被毒打过。三四岁时小Jack因为小便messy受到父亲的羞辱,同时因为
他做了环切但是他父亲没有做,所以误以为自己有“anatomical disconformity ”,少了点什么,就象牲口耳朵被剪当作记号(做老鼠试验的人大概知道这是什么)。小说里明着提到的这一事件的结果是他和父亲从此搞不好关系,但是读者应该看得出来他一定会有对自身性征的否认。我们甚至可以想象,他可能为了不再受惩罚,而用女性方式上厕所。
所以后来两人的关系中,Ennis是(1,1), Jack的y值(对自身性别的选择)却更接近0一点。我同意问题的重点不在性行为的具体方式,而在地位。从Jack对Ennis的性能力的由衷赞美(“Christ, it got a be all that time a yours ahorseback makes it so goddamn good.” ),到他说出“戒你太难”这样十足文艺腔的话,到他对断背山上那个无性拥抱的怀念与渴望,到他偷拿Ennis的衬衫,都能看出来他的偏女性地位。

Posted: 2006-01-10 7:56
by Jun
这个,有点过度分析了吧?

弗罗一德那套童年性焦虑和父母关系造成成年后的潜意识问题的理论,本来就是的想当然耳的胡扯.男人多半同父亲有介蒂,女人多半同母亲有介蒂,但跟童年的性焦虑没有关系.

而且把同性恋里被penetrate的一方定义为submissive一方,女性的一方,等于假设女性在异性恋里总是处于submissive一方,假设被penetrate便一定是submissive而penetrate一定是dominate.这个似乎是很单一的理论,对某些男性来说可能比较有道理,例如一些社会里本来是直的男把penetrating another man当成是男性之间的竞争和占领高地的手段.(谢天谢地我不是男的,女人看人际关系不是纯粹dominance--submission.)

Posted: 2006-01-10 8:17
by xp
我说了半天,正是为了强调x+y并不需要等于1,penetration也不需要和dominance等同。所有举出的关于Jack的例子,都和他的被penetrate没有直接关系。在他们两人的关系里,Jack完全可以同样以(1,1)出现。问题是,他没有这样,他自愿地让Ennis掌握了那条拴住他的short leash.

另外,我不知道jun为什么会提到童年父母关系和弗洛伊德。Jack的童年经历跟是谁造成的无关,如果他是在学校体育馆的淋浴里发现自己跟别人“不一样”,而且同时还伴随了羞辱(不管两者是不是有联系),一样也会开始否认自己的性征。

Posted: 2006-01-10 8:29
by 花差花差小将军
我老早看过一部Gina Gershon和Jennifer Tilly的蕾丝边电影
你老看的4 Bound8,蛮好的一部戏,尤其是制作成本不高,2女当时又年轻神气。踢厉现在打扑克牌打得很好,不时在Travel Channel上面看到她老人家在牌桌上和人较劲儿

Posted: 2006-01-10 8:50
by xp
她在女黑手党片里也很神气

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Posted: 2006-01-10 8:50
by Jun
Oh I see. You meant that because Jack felt ashamed of his "organ" in his childhood (regardless of source or reason), he then later took the "feminine" position (地位) in his relationship with Ennis. Hmm. Sounds like the "castration complex" to me (which is usually associated with fathers and consistent with the story).

In addition, his feminine position is further evidenced by the fact that he was more willing to express his attachment to Ennis. Or one could say he was more in love with Ennis and thus willing to tolerate the "short leash," thus more like a woman (sissy?) in the power balance...

Yes, it was Bound. But the writer/director of Bound was a man and the movie might be closer to a male fantasy of lesbians than true lesbianism. I don't know.

Posted: 2006-01-10 9:03
by 花差花差小将军
I saw female bounding :mrgreen:
我要去补课看女黑帮了 :mrgreen:

Posted: 2006-01-10 9:10
by tiffany
ha, Tilly is starring in a CBS sitcom out of practice as a brunnette bimbo. She has a very unique voice, quite memorable; just that she looks pretty bloated.
Her poker career not going so well? :mrgreen:

Posted: 2006-01-10 9:20
by 花差花差小将军
no, she plays quite well, just won some women's poker championship. She learned how to play poker from her boyfriend and now she's probably a mucher better player than he is :mrgreen:

Posted: 2006-01-19 18:07
by 一灯
I thought sex orientation is genetically determined. Did the childhood experience or the external factor trigger it? If so, those who are against gay may be right at a technical level in saying that gayness can be cured/avoided?

Posted: 2006-01-20 8:53
by Jun
同性恋起因尚未定论, 但是有迹象表明基因的因素, 可能基因增加人的倾向, 加上某些环境因素. 环境因素应该不是人文因素(即小时候"教坏了"或被人"带坏了"),而是受精怀孕时的因素影响?目前都是猜测.

基因/生来的特征与特征能否被"治愈"或者"避免"没有直接关系,是两回事.基因病也可能被治愈,而后天得到的病症也可能无药可医.

Posted: 2006-01-20 10:40
by Knowing
一灯 wrote:I thought sex orientation is genetically determined. Did the childhood experience or the external factor trigger it? If so, those who are against gay may be right at a technical level in saying that gayness can be cured/avoided?
I don't see what is technically right about it. Homosexualty is neither defect nor disease. Even if someone chooses to be homosexual, she/he absolutely has the right to. Just like the fact your prefer rice over bread might either be genetically determined or aquired taste, there is nothing 'techinally right' about making you have bread and butter everyday to prove you can be converted.

Posted: 2006-01-20 10:46
by 花差花差小将军
娘子,您老的意思94:
What is there to cured since it is not a disease?
顺治无限的爱
你的,
牛魔王

Posted: 2006-01-20 10:56
by 一灯
I agree. That's why I say "technical". As long as we do not think homosexuality is a disease or abnormality, there is nothing to be "cured" or "avoided". I don't think it's a disease or abnormality.

Got to run. Will chat later.

Posted: 2006-01-20 11:19
by 一灯
To be absolutely frank, I did not think homo is normal when I first learnt a very good friend of mine is gay. Being told that homo is genetic and cannot be helped or induced after one was born by other factors helped me to accept his homosexuality.

Posted: 2006-01-20 11:39
by Jun
Conversely, a trait being genetic isn't necessarily "normal" either. Plenty of genetic diseases abound.

Normal is a relative concept and different in different context (biological, medical, social, etc. etc.). Male homosexual practice, as long as it does not interferes with reproduction and population growth, is normal in some social environment (eg, ancient Greece and Rome, New Guinea tribes).