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Posted: 2006-12-13 12:42
by Jun
回来

2006-12-11 10:55:04

易卜生的《娜拉》在中国是非常有名的。这出戏之所以产生感染力似乎倒不在于其中复杂的情节,一般看来那都只是铺垫,要紧的是最后一幕里女主人公的出走,以及出走前她对丈夫、也是对社会说的一大番话。关于家庭、法律、宗教、道德都有所议论;涉及到她自己则说:

“要想了解我自己和我的处境,我得一个人过日子,所以我不能再跟你待下去。”

“我还有别的同样神圣的责任……我说的是我对自己的责任。”

“现在我只信,首先我是一个人,跟你一样的一个人――至少我要学做一个人。”

这些话对于个性的揄扬和对未来的憧憬,很使台下的一代代人受到鼓舞;娜拉的去向,遂成为大家向往着的光明之路了。正如张爱玲在《走!走到楼上去》中所说:

“中国人从《娜拉》一剧中学会了‘出走’。无疑地,这潇洒苍凉的手势给予一般中国青年极深的印象。”

胡适还在五四之前就专门写了《易卜生主义》,其中谈到娜拉,说她是去“干她自己的生活”、“救出自己”,很显然他是看好因娜拉出走而昭示的那个未来的。

但是易卜生这出戏收煞在“出走”,这多少有一点儿取巧,而且也太容易了。娜拉说“要学做一个人”,她到底做了怎么一个人,能不能够“救出自己”,都不知道。作者把娜拉打发出去他就不管了。所以要是由此而生出乐观的想法,那就不能不说是盲目乐观罢。鲁迅毕竟最是清醒,他的《娜拉走后怎样》是给《娜拉》写了一个必不可少的续篇,虽然对大伙儿来说是一个非常煞风景的续篇:

“但从事理上推想起来,娜拉或者也实在只有两条路:不是堕落,就是回来。因为如果是一匹小鸟,则笼子里固然不自由,而一出笼门,外面便又有鹰,有猫,以及别的什么东西之类;倘使已经关得麻痹了翅子,忘却了飞翔,也诚然是无路可以走。还有一条,就是饿死了,但饿死已经离开了生活,更无所谓问题,所以也不是什么路。”

后来张爱玲写《走!走到楼上去》,似乎正是由打鲁迅的推想再推想下去:

“我编了一出戏,里面有个人拖儿带女去投亲,和亲戚闹翻了,他愤然跳起来道:‘我受不了这个。走!我们走!' 他的妻哀恳道:' 走到哪儿去呢?' 他把妻儿聚在一起,道:‘走!走到楼上去!'――开饭的时候,一声呼唤,他们就会下来的。”

这简直可以看作是对易卜生以及欢呼娜拉出走的一班人的嘲讽了。也就是说,根本不可能有什么真正的“出走”。从易卜生到胡适说成正剧的东西,鲁迅看穿了纯属悲剧,到了张爱玲则视之为一场闹剧了。这是悲观的看法,然而也只不过是吹破了带霓虹色彩的肥皂泡而已。

鲁迅推想的三种下场:堕落,回来和饿死,明摆着都是违反娜拉的初衷的。娜拉走时想“要学做一个人”,她是去求生的,所以鲁迅说饿死不是她的路,而堕落大概与此也差不太多,如果只有这么三个结果由得娜拉挑选,她最大的可能还是回来。这在《娜拉》中已经有两句台词可以看作是谶语了,丈夫海尔茂说:

“可是,娜拉,将来总有一天――”

娜拉回答:

“那就难说了。我不知道我以后会怎么样。”

但是对于娜拉来说,出走而又回来其实是最黑暗的一件事。且不说如何面对海尔茂,如何面对其他人,以及如何面对自己,单单这件事本身也会让天底下一切本来抱有希望的人感到失望乃至绝望,尤其是就起因看来谁都知道娜拉是实在活不下去才要出走。《娜拉》这出戏一般说是写实的,但易卜生自己说过:

“在生活中任何杰出的人物都是象征。”

尤其是那个结尾,经由易卜生到胡适到鲁迅再到张爱玲所揭示的娜拉的命运,可以象征很多东西。娜拉出走时作者特地让她“换了家常衣服”,我不知道她回来时是什么样儿;但有时我想到人类、社会乃至历史,眼前就常常晃过她的影子。
我的留言:
这真是一个奇怪的现象,玩偶之家这个剧的主题和内容,讨论的重点,都不在于走出去以后女主会落到怎么样的下场。作者以她出走为结局并不是取巧,而是他的本意和讨论的重点,至于下场,那并不是他在此剧范围内关心的题目。可是中国的学者们自从鲁讯说了那句话之后都统统买了盒子还珠子,都念念不忘地接着鲁迅的话茬儿把易卜生的原著丢在脑后。前年我才把这部剧的剧本给读了,很感慨,很喜欢,读完了以后一点也不耿耿于Nora的下场和命运。而且,实际上,丹麦十九世纪的女人Nora离家之后的下场未必象中国男文人想象的那么悲惨(或者象出走的中国女人那么悲惨),今天的丹麦女人地位之高让全世界羡慕,或许中国女人多走走也能走出这么个可怕的下场来。
我对专业文人有偏见,读书多了,别人的思想认识把自己的直觉挤到不知哪里去了,我也不要新奇古怪的东西,只要是personal and honest,而不是重复古人,就够了。

中国人念念不忘Nora出走以后该有多惨,未必不是出于"瞧,女人不守妇道的下场"的心理。

Posted: 2006-12-13 12:50
by tiffany
该人还活在上个世纪30年代---简而言之上古时代---呢,以为广大劳动妇女出走了之后必定无法养活自己。

不过这个人挺没意思,好象文件检索,把大家们关于此著名作品的观点罗列了一番,就没了。一点儿也不,如jun所言,personal and honest.

Posted: 2006-12-13 13:01
by CAVA
这种掉书袋的文章好象在做剪贴,不明底细的看一篇会觉得,哗这人好有学问,两三篇以后就比较看不下去。在Google和wikipedia上查到的还更全面,更有逻辑呢。
但有时我想到人类、社会乃至历史,眼前就常常晃过她的影子。
至于么?

Posted: 2006-12-13 13:11
by helenClaire
记得从哪里读来的,溥仪宠爱的什么妃后来自己要求离婚出宫,自力更生当了小学老师,大约1950年去世。她出走得该比娜拉困难吧,即没回去也没堕落。

Posted: 2006-12-13 13:13
by 森林的火焰
止庵好象一向如此。
旧中国,世界上真的是有鹰有猫,有一切雄性的毒蛇猛兽等着吃孤独无依的女人。儒林外史里沈琼枝从盐商家跑出来到南京去卖文卖绣一个人过日子,门外多少无聊恶少打门敲砖,不是想欺负她,就是想占便宜。只有杜少卿两口子才当她是奇女子。

Posted: 2006-12-13 14:14
by silkworm
但有时我想到人类、社会乃至历史,眼前就常常晃过她的影子。

这句很“余秋雨”。 :mrgreen:

Posted: 2006-12-13 14:52
by Knowing
helenClaire wrote:记得从哪里读来的,溥仪宠爱的什么妃后来自己要求离婚出宫,自力更生当了小学老师,大约1950年去世。她出走得该比娜拉困难吧,即没回去也没堕落。
文绣 was not a 宠妃. In fact, 溥仪 was either gay or ED or both. It was stated in her divorce announcement that her marriage was never cosummated.


张爱玲 might have joked about 娜拉's return, but in real life, her mom, her aunt and her all had chosen independence over traditional role and walked out on her father. That says more than her occassional joke on the subject.

Posted: 2006-12-13 15:04
by Jun
If he were in any way like John Lone in the movie The Last Emperor, I can believe he was gay... :mrgreen:

Posted: 2006-12-13 15:14
by 花差花差小将军
oh dear ur too harsh :mrgreen:

Posted: 2006-12-13 15:24
by Jun
张爱玲 might have joked about 娜拉's return, but in real life, her mom, her aunt and her all had chosen independence over traditional role and walked out on her father. That says more than her occassional joke on the subject.
That's another of my pet peeves. 我有个朋友总是感慨张爱铃自己一生多么悲惨多么不幸,跟我的印象颇不同。实际上大众舆论普遍说张爱玲在感情生活上如何悲惨,自从跟那个"钟爱一生"的才子分开后就成了老姑婆,一边怜悯她一边偷笑蔑视,谁叫她没本事勾到条件更好的,美国大亨什么的?可见当才女的下场就是这么倒霉。

Posted: 2006-12-13 15:36
by 花差花差小将军
Oh dear you are too harsh :mrgreen:

Posted: 2006-12-13 15:37
by Jun
What? What? How am I too harsh? :eyepatch:

Posted: 2006-12-13 15:39
by 花差花差小将军
U are stripping and pulling many people's idol off the pedestal :mrgreen:

Posted: 2006-12-13 15:40
by Knowing
张爱铃前半生过的挺好的呀。后半生虽然差了点, 主要是因为不擅长社交,凭自己要在外语写作打开局面是挺难的。如果遇到一个好的文学经纪人就好了。
不过比起老舍和其他留在大陆的文人就不算悲惨了。她那身世,那脾气,那历史,恐怕没到文革已经被整死了。先要受尽各种侮辱,然后自杀了还得鞭尸。这么一想她不是过得挺幸福的吗。

Posted: 2006-12-13 15:50
by silkworm
我每次看到夏志清“心疼”张爱玲,就翻白眼儿。


看到街道政治对夏志清的评价么:

http://fengliuzhugou.tianyablog.com/blo ... er=0&Key=0
仅看文字就讨厌的人,一个是夏志清,一个是焦雄屏。不过是两个门外人,却因为一点资源优势就喜做指点江山状,实在是难以忍受。焦……
  夏志清也是个势利眼,最不耐的是看他写大陆文人印象记,钱钟书因为聪明,到是没给他嘲弄的机会,可是可怜的1980年代初访问美国的曹禺,在他刻薄的笔下,简直是个白痴,无外是因为别人没有在他跟前当戏子,这位华人美国汉学家恨不得大陆学者都得是表演出身,在美国学者跟前表演唱念做打,哪一样做的不好都得指责,年迈的曹禺控诉文革、认不出见过一面的初交都是罪过――夏志清这等浅薄无聊的上海小文人,要是留在大陆会是什么嘴脸?不过是侥幸去了美国,就那么洋洋得意起来。

Posted: 2006-12-13 15:56
by silkworm
浦仪确定是gay。
他最后一任妻子回忆录里写到的。为此她要离婚,浦仪痛哭流涕地求她,后来组织上(好象周恩来?)帮忙说和。

Posted: 2006-12-13 16:20
by 洛洛
http://www.jwb.com.cn/gb/content/2004-1 ... 273314.htm

http://www.people.com.cn/GB/shenghuo/80 ... 54223.html
溥仪好像是身体不行,也没听说过他有男性partner。
文绣是拿了赡养费的。

Posted: 2006-12-13 16:37
by silkworm
http://culture.qianlong.com/6931/2004/0 ... 995865.htm
当事人叙述真实历史 溥仪曾是同性恋者


照片还有:
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清廷皇宫中的大太监。右起:刘兴桥(养心殿御前太监)、王凤池(养心殿东夹道二带班)、杨子真(养心殿御前太监)。

Posted: 2006-12-13 16:50
by 森林的火焰
文绣好象是许诺了不再嫁,独身。
我一直觉得张爱玲过了经济上最困窘的一段儿以后其实生活得不错,一个人自由自在,研究红楼梦,翻译海上花,都是那些年做的。没有经济问题,也没有个人问题困扰。动不动就可怜张的人不说也罢。

Posted: 2006-12-13 17:01
by Jun
后来张爱玲写《走!走到楼上去》,似乎正是由打鲁迅的推想再推想下去:

“我编了一出戏,里面有个人拖儿带女去投亲,和亲戚闹翻了,他愤然跳起来道:‘我受不了这个。走!我们走!' 他的妻哀恳道:' 走到哪儿去呢?' 他把妻儿聚在一起,道:‘走!走到楼上去!'――开饭的时候,一声呼唤,他们就会下来的。”

这简直可以看作是对易卜生以及欢呼娜拉出走的一班人的嘲讽了。也就是说,根本不可能有什么真正的“出走”。从易卜生到胡适说成正剧的东西,鲁迅看穿了纯属悲剧,到了张爱玲则视之为一场闹剧了。这是悲观的看法,然而也只不过是吹破了带霓虹色彩的肥皂泡而已。
Uh... has anyone noticed that in 《走!走到楼上去》, it is a man who wants to 走!走到楼上去!? How the fuck does this relate to the feminist theme of The Doll House?

Posted: 2006-12-14 10:05
by Knowing
森林的火焰 wrote: 我一直觉得张爱玲过了经济上最困窘的一段儿以后其实生活得不错,一个人自由自在,研究红楼梦,翻译海上花,都是那些年做的。没有经济问题,也没有个人问题困扰。动不动就可怜张的人不说也罢。
Not really. She had health issues, which turned out to be mostly mental. She moved ridiculous often and lost a lot of precious manuscripts and letters and photos.
I did wish someone could have taken better care of her. A good assistant or a good agent. Song Qi couple did good job as her agent but they were too far away and too old. Eileen Cheung could have had another peak of creativity had she been semiforced to live a more active life. She was a keen observer and needed external stimulation as inspiration, but unfortunately also suffered from antisocial personality disorder.


But Eileen Cheung's problems had nothing to do with independence. In fact her independence minimized the suffer she had to endure in life. It could have been a lot worse for someone so eccentric.

Posted: 2006-12-14 10:25
by Jun
antisocial personality disorder
Uh... mmm... sorry to be a stickler on psychiatric stuff, but the official definition of antisocial personality disorder is essentially the same as psychopathic personality disorder. Just don't want to confuse people...

She could be antisocial in her later life, like a lot of other eccentric artists. Greta Garbo, for example. And Harper Lee ("To Kill a Mockingbird") who tried to write another novel but failed for the rest of her life after the Pulitzer award. And poor Ralph Ellison whose manuscript of his second novel was burned and struggled all his life but failed to reproduce it after the vastly successful "The Invisible Man." It happens, a lot, to writers, especially those who find literary success early. See the movie "Wonder Boys."

Posted: 2006-12-14 11:06
by Knowing
Un? If antisocial personality disorder is not exactly antisocial what do you call people who are antisocail to the extreme?

Eileen Cheung's was quite antisocial all through her life. Just later in life she had the luxary to live that way. She did fair amount of work on HOng Lou Meng and Hai Shang Hua and quite enjoyed it. But of cause as a reader I felt it was a waste of her talent.

Posted: 2006-12-14 11:12
by tiffany
wah, it is really different, huge difference btw people who are just good old antisocial, and people with antisocial personality disorder ---- the former are just anti-socializing, the latter are truely anti-soceity
Diagnostic Criteria

There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three (or more) of the following:
failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest
deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure
impulsivity or failure to plan ahead
irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults
reckless disregard for safety of self or others
consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations
lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another
The individual is at least age 18 years.
There is evidence of Conduct Disorder with onset before age 15 years.
The occurrence of antisocial behavior is not exclusively during the course of Schizophrenia or a Manic Episode.

Posted: 2006-12-14 12:17
by 森林的火焰
我同意小K讲的,如果她有人照料,有人帮助,天才会更好地被激发出来。
我觉得“不错”,是不比普通人的生活差。很多普通人生活里的烦心事一大堆,只是说出来都没有人要听,有兴趣。因为人人的生活都是这样的。张爱玲频繁地搬家,杀虫,旁人半惋惜半乐祸地说:“唉呀,你看她过得多惨”。其实呢,我认为她一点也不比百分之八十的人的生活要不快乐。但小K说的那个已经不止是不错,而是运气很好了。