恶人谷

佛罗里达的一月，数千人的行业会议在大得无边的旅游饭店里举行。来的路上出租司机跟我说，佛州什么都很新，比美国北方整齐得多。从我这无趣的人眼里看出去，环境确实规划得不错，还算怡人，但不免塑料。会议活动的音乐太嘈杂，自助食物味似纸板箱，也就是个主题公园的样子。

整天紧张的议程结束后走到室外，迎面的空气温暖潮湿，云层酝酿着雷雨的讯息。身边走过各种肤色，不同语言的与会者，人人颈里吊一个名牌，好象幼儿园小孩出去春游怕走丢了，又象秘密组织的人召开英雄大会。人工湖上波光粼粼，水禽们嬉戏的样子让我微笑，心情无故好起来。

其实身体和头脑都疲惫，职业前途的未卜系数在今年又增加了些，另方面最近出差的行程紧张得很，好象没有清醒的空间来仔细思考该如何应付未来的变化。话说回来，我这样一个悲观兼惰性主义者，能计划的不过是些细节，多想也无用。

晚间招待会结束后特意出去转一转，果然在下雨了，仍没有一丝凉意。响亮，急迫的粗线条的热带的雨，和英国绵密的雨丝迥然不同。一会儿雨停，只剩下喷泉的水声不绝于耳。此情此景有几分象记忆中的江南初夏夜， 九、十点钟从外面见了人回来，一路踏着温润的湿意回家，走过弄堂里各家各户的前门和后门，到家和父母报到了，躺到潮兮兮的床上还回味着适才的情景。

坐在露台边敞开的落地窗旁写了一回，远处派对的音乐还在沸腾，迪斯尼的焰火准时响起。夜终于凉起来。

瓦，顺路去key west看一看吧。很多特可爱的床和早餐。

唉，我倒是想啊，哪有时间呢。这里会开完了马上要北上宾州，然后回家。没怎么看新闻，纽约下雪了没有？

CAVA父母原来是在佛州啊，你自己倒满世界乱跑。

我家里人都在上海呢 我自己本来发言不精确，‘家’的概念也很含糊。这星期有人问我打哪里来，不知道回答现住地英国好呢，还是出生地上海好。而且美国人好象喜欢讲England，不太讲UK。英国人则一般自称UK来的。我就两边串着用，自己也糊涂了。

CAVA这篇看得我好感慨啊。云横秦岭家何在？正式是一个疑问句了。真让人疑惑。

我也是去年二月去的奥兰多，感觉很不错。满怀念那种早上冒着微雨穿过棕榈树林去吃早餐的感觉。（其实是很普通的酒店。）

真好看。 尤其是我自己已经有很长的一段时间感觉前途茫茫，而能做的也只有默默苦干。
我地理知识一塌糊涂。小白这一句“云横秦岭家何处”，让我扎扎实实地查了半天中国地图。原来四川在我的西面，贵州在四川的南面。东西走向的秦岭在中国的中部，把中国分成南北两个部分。

奥兰多这个城市整个儿不象真的，水泥搭起来的童话世界。有点粗糙，可是看到孩子们这么高兴，假一点有什么关系？

I really hate Orlando. Not as much as I hate Las Vegas but close.

Me too. I can't say I hate Orlando. But I just do not care for it at all. Once or twice I have attended a conference there and have never visited Disney (I dislike and despise Disney very much, along with Disney movies, I liked Warner Bros when I was little). But I did go to Universal Studio once, because the organizer gave VIP passes so I could jump the lines and go to hot attractions. Not impressed at all. I just don't care much for theme parks.

I hate Disney too. So pretentious . LV is fake but it doesn't try to be cute or sweet. I am not into theme parks either.

I'm glad to see I'm not the only person who thinks Disney is evil.

Don't be so harsh. Disney is for kids. It is ok that you don't like it. But kids do and that's all that matters.
Also, Las Vegas are for shallow people. It is ok that you don't like it. But shallow people do and that's all that matters.

Of course, though I don't think Lisa Simpson would like Disney -- but of course, not every family is blessed with a kid like Lisa

In that family, Homer Simpson might love Disney -- if not Disney, definitely Las Vegas.

Wait a minute. Disney is not just a park for kids. I went to a book signing event a while ago by the author of a recent exhaustive biography on Walt Disney. It's neither a glowing hero worship nor demonization of Disney, but the stuff he revealed about how Disney ran his operation and his megalomaniacal visions for Epcot and Disney World seem pretty chilling to me.

Another Ren Min Gong She?

有天和朋友说该去哪儿玩。然后大家忽然意识到：如果有了孩子，只怕年年要去Disney。

我讨厌Disney，但是喜欢也是给小孩子开的海洋公园。

小白的“云横秦岭家何在”看的我鼻子一酸。其实下半句也很那啥啥，“雪拥蓝关马不前”，大概能让很多还在挣扎的新移民出一身冷汗。

For example, the company was initially founded by both Walt and his brother and it was called Disney Brothers. At some point Walt forced his brother out to take total control and cut his name out of the company name. Also he ran the company like a cult and gave the creative credit and control to no one. He made his workers work like slaves and compensated them with spiritual fulfillment. He wanted to build Epcot into a futuristic Ren Min Gong She that display HIS total vision of life and the world. One comment about Disney World/Disneyland is how CONTROLLED the parks are designed. You are constantly told where to go and what to do. A visit to Disenyland is designed as a scripted tour in which the tourist participate in a movie that has been meticulously mapped out and directed. You're a pawn and completely submit to the predetermined scheme. Of course, people find assurance and safety in being told what to do all the time, and that's what's important. But the ideology drives me up the wall.

拉丝为家私亮闪闪的，到处都是赤裸裸的诱惑，主题明确就是钱和更多的钱，我喜欢他的诚实没架子money面前人人平等的本质。

Yeah it's the perfect example of why 赤裸裸的诱惑，钱和更多的钱 are so boring.

Wow, this is interesting. I never thought this way. So evil.

I don't plan to take my son to Disney. I am not into zoo either. I prefer taking him out camping, hiking, swimming and skiing.

Geez, it is chilling. Your description reminds me of those guided tour designed for foreign visitors to China in the 80s, no poverty, no rough neighborhood, no corruption ....
I am no fan of Orlando or Vegas. But if you hold a gun against me and force me to choose where I would like to spend a week I would have to choose Vegas

总结的说，资本主义比较让人更接受

O? What 主义 is disney then?

极端个人主义

Oh, talking about Disney himself. How about the theme park? It's like a make belif buhaha utopia erh

He wanted to build Epcot into a futuristic Ren Min Gong She that display HIS total vision of life and the world.

I didn't know that. Each attraction in Epcot is sponsored by a big corporation, Future of Communication by AT&T, Universe of Energy by Exxon, etc. etc. It's like a huge showcase, a year-round World Fair, not sure how close it is to Walt Disney's vision.
I actually like Epcot, it is less crowded than other Disney parks. OK, I'm probaly the only one at fabvalley who likes Disney parks, have never failed to have a good time when I visited one. Somehow the negative adjectives mentioned in this thread just didn't pop up in my mind when "I came, I saw, I played."
Theme parks in Orlando area are so much more than just Disney parks, and what Central Florida can offer is so much more than just theme parks (now I sound like a vacation brochure). When Orlando is considered equivalent to Disney or Evil, it's not fair. Especially when Disney parks are not even located in Orlando, they are in Kissimmee.

Helen I doubt you really enjoy Disney for Disney. I bet if you were not with the kids who were so thrilled about it, you would find it pretty boring too.

啊，原来大家都那么讨厌迪斯尼的呀。

我起码对Magic Kingdom晚上的花车游行还是念念不忘的。

黑暗里蝴蝶仙子的翅膀上有晶莹剔透的彩灯闪烁，可是离观众又那么近，搂一搂小朋友，好象能把他们带进真的梦里！

那天看完一场游行，我们一行四个成年人都有点迷怔----咱们小时候都看啥了。

I like Epcot, that is the first theme park I visited, and I would still rate as my favoriate.

I like the firework in the night too.

蚕啊，我们小时候看大闹天宫，牵兔子灯，听评书来着。各有各玩法。

You are constantly told where to go and what to do.

就是这种感觉，it's designed that way。But it works, and I suppose if you have a crowd of x0 thousand people in the park every day you've got to have some organisation and mechanism. 我今天临时去订会议室，本来以为简单的程序花了1个小时，被转手四个部门，再次见识了整个庞大的幕后机构。

没舍得花72大洋去任何一个公园，因为缺乏兴趣，而且一个人多怪啊。今天晚上在Animal Kingdom有免费party，已经在下雨了，我计划了若干种借口想逃开不去，怕同事说我anti-social，只得硬着头皮去买了把10大洋的粗制滥造的米奇伞。

xiao qing, I think you can bring your son to hiking, camping, swimming and skiing, however, disney land is also a must for the kids, for my point of view. just imagin when we were kids, we are so attracted to those fairy tales...

CAVA wrote:蚕啊，我们小时候看大闹天宫，牵兔子灯，听评书来着。各有各玩法。

我小时候最喜欢的是玩沙子。用铲煤炉灰的小铲子，跟小朋友们在工地边的沙堆上挖坑，用树枝搭上架子，盖张纸，再铺点沙子在上面，就变成一个陷阱。然后我们就等人来踩－－都是徒劳，谁没事走沙堆上来啊－－等天黑大人叫我们回去的时候，我们就互相假装不经意的踩到别人的陷阱里，快活！还有, 我那时的梦想就是到海边去玩，在沙滩上挖很多这种陷阱，看其他人不小心睬进去 。。。

豪情 wrote:Wow, this is interesting. I never thought this way. So evil.

I don't plan to take my son to Disney. I am not into zoo either. I prefer taking him out camping, hiking, swimming and skiing.

This sounds like myself 4 years ago. Wait, I hated camping and hiking as well.

It is amazing how kids can change their parents' life.

Jun wrote:Yeah it's the perfect example of why 赤裸裸的诱惑，钱和更多的钱 are so boring.

I am going this weekend and I am kind of thrilled. Vacation is all about your time way from real life and your real self, and I am soooooooo ready to party 赤裸裸的诱惑 is fun once in a while!

Knowing wrote:

CAVA wrote:蚕啊，我们小时候看大闹天宫，牵兔子灯，听评书来着。各有各玩法。

我小时候最喜欢的是玩沙子。用铲煤炉灰的小铲子，跟小朋友们在工地边的沙堆上挖坑，用树枝搭上架子，盖张纸，再铺点沙子在上面，就变成一个陷阱。然后我们就等人来踩－－都是徒劳，谁没事走沙堆上来啊－－等天黑大人叫我们回去的时候，我们就互相假装不经意的踩到别人的陷阱里，快活！还有, 我那时的梦想就是到海边去玩，在沙滩上挖很多这种陷阱，看其他人不小心睬进去 。。。

恐怕没有哪个小孩不爱玩沙子和纸板箱吧！ 我到现在都记得我小时候出去玩沙子，带了把小铲子，别的小朋友没有都很羡慕，结果回家吃饭的时候忘了拿，在下楼找，有个小朋友就非说是她的，不还给我了。伤心啊。

我觉得有时候我们把自己小时候很想要而没有得到的理所当然地认为自己的小孩也会喜欢。我的几个在美国出生的侄子侄女都不喜欢去迪斯尼。

http://www.fabvalley.org/bbs/viewtopic. ... 699d6088f5

我倒是蛮喜欢animal kindom的，那棵大树，a bug's life，飞鸟表演，狮子王都是我喜欢的。不过那个公园是最早打烊的（因为要喂动物），晚上的party干什么？

我还挺喜欢disney park的，magickingdom圣诞夜的游行，焰火，真是美焕美伦。
虽然很多人排队，但也很有趣。我上次去的时候，把magickingdom每一项都玩到了（有很多弱智项目）还和旁边一个小女孩比手里的map看谁玩掉的项目多。
我觉得长这么大还第一次玩游乐园玩这么痛快。

原来你们都是在国外啊~
OH~~~NO~~~

This sounds like myself 4 years ago. Wait, I hated camping and hiking as well.

It is amazing how kids can change their parents' life.

I don't see any problem doing so. He enjoys water and sand a lot. We took him to a theme park for company picnic and he didn't like it.
I will send him to skiing school at 3. Unfortunately, it is not as convenient to ski, camp or hike after we relocated. Of course I'd rather raise him in Seattle. Our friends in Seattle have no problem taking their kids to these activities. For now he can enjoy beaches and sandy playgrounds.

我去看了TWIN讲DISNEY爱国主义教育的参考资料
说到玩沙子, 小时候喜欢得很. 我们宝宝也喜欢. 现在小孩子玩沙子比我们小时候工具齐全多了, 不光是小勺小铲子小桶, 还有垒城堡的模子, 分城墙拐角高塔部分, 湿沙子垒起来可以组合成各种各样的城堡或者长城.
小孩子是改变父母的生活, 有好的也有坏的改变, 但我不介意和他重温童年, 而且是升级版童年.