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维生素和鱼油
Posted: 2007-08-15 10:48
by Knowing
我知道问这个问题会被JUN 痛扁的

。。。请各位生物女青年积极发言
我老年纪见长,对自己的身体越来越爱惜,每天都要吞维生素和鱼油。以前就是吃大路牌子CENTRUM 和 ALASKA DEEP SEA ,最近要补货的时候,看见有看似很反西的一个牌子叫NEW CHAPTER,号称是organic whole food vitamins, 绿色全天然补充维生素和矿物质,deliver biotransformed vitamins and minerals in their finest cultured form,我砰然心动。。。
http://www.drugstore.com/products/prod. ... aid=332800
我想问问生物女青年们
一:这个产品的介绍靠不靠谱?
二:维生素,鱼油该看什么指标判断好坏?
三:有比较可信,中立的机构的质量评论可看么?
Posted: 2007-08-15 10:49
by 花差花差小将军
She 砰然心动

Posted: 2007-08-15 10:52
by Jun
有比较可信,中立的机构的质量评论可看么
Yes, Consumer Reports. You have to buy their subscription ($26/year or $6/month), but I am happy to pay for subscription, knowing that they accept NO advertising money from any manufacturer.
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/index.htm
Omega-3 oil: Fish or pills?
A flood of scientific findings on fish oil points to a startling conclusion: Certain omega-3 fatty acids in the oil, consumed either from fish or fish-oil capsules, appear to offer as much protection against dying from coronary heart disease as do cholesterol-lowering drugs.
The evidence of fish oil's protective powers is so strong that the American Heart Association now urges everyone to eat at least two small 3-ounce servings of fish a week. That's particularly important after menopause in women and after age 45 or so in men, when coronary risk starts to rise.
Last fall the heart association advised people who already have heart disease to consume about 1 gram a day of the active ingredients in fish oil--omega-3s called EPA and DHA. To follow that recommendation, the average person would have to take at least some fish-oil pills. This is one of the few times that a major health organization has endorsed any dietary supplement for treating or preventing disease.
But consumers who want the coronary protection that those omega-3s can provide may have other questions:
• Who else needs the pills? Millions of Americans have increased coronary risk but no apparent heart disease. Our medical consultants say that fish-oil supplements may make sense for those people as well, depending on the extent of their risk for heart disease.
• Is fish safe? Young children and women who are nursing or pregnant or who may become pregnant should avoid or limit their intake of certain types of fish that can be contaminated, notably with mercury. Other people should vary their choices, frequently eat the species unlikely to contain contaminants (see Right fish, least risk), and sharply restrict their intake of the species with the most mercury, namely shark, swordfish, and king mackerel.
• Are fish-oil supplements safe and are their contents reliable? The federal Food and Drug Administration rarely monitors the composition and purity of dietary supplements. But our tests of 16 top-selling fish-oil supplements were CR Quick Take
Certain omega-3 fatty acids in fish oil can help prevent cardiovascular disease. The only way to get substantial amounts of those omega-3s is from fish or fish-oil supplements.
• Most people with normal heart risk should eat at least two small servings of fish a week. Young children and pregnant women should avoid or limit their intake of species that may be contaminated with pollutants; others should vary their choices and sharply limit intake of the worst offenders. If you don’t like fish, you could consume the equivalent amount of omega-3s from fish-oil pills: about 2 grams (two daily doses) a week.
• People with heart disease should consume about 1 gram a day of the omega-3s, from fish or fish-oil supplements, provided their doctor gives the OK.
• The more risk factors you have for heart disease, the more you should consider following the above advice for heart patients.
• Our tests of 16 leading pill brands found that all contained roughly as much omega-3s as their labels claimed, and none were contaminated or spoiled. (See Ratings). So choose them based mainly on price.
reassuring: All those pills contained roughly as much EPA and DHA as their labels promised. None showed evidence of spoilage, and none contained significant amounts of mercury, the worrisome PCBs, or dioxin.
So the choice boils down to price, and we found good news there, too: Two brands, Kirkland Signature Natural Fish Oil and Member’s Mark Omega 3 Fish Oil, each a CR Best Buy, supplied the desirable daily dosage for less than half to as little as a tenth of the cost of the other brands we tested.
FIVE-WAY PROTECTION
Studies suggest several possible mechanisms to explain how fish oil helps minimize the consequences of heart disease and perhaps prevent the disease in the first place:
• It may electrically stabilize the heart-muscle cells, reducing the likelihood that a heart attack will trigger an arrhythmia or potentially deadly heartbeat disturbance.
• It may fight inflammation, which makes arterial plaque deposits more likely to break apart, create blood clots, and thus trigger a heart attack.
• It may make certain blood cells less sticky and less likely to form clots.
• It may make the arteries more elastic, reducing the chance that increased blood pressure will cause plaque deposits to rupture.
• High doses can reduce blood levels of triglycerides, a fat that may increase heart-disease risk.
A DRAMATIC DROP IN DEATHS
The benefits of fish oil emerged when researchers noticed that people who ate fish frequently suffered fewer heart attacks and died of heart disease at a lower rate than those who seldom ate fish. Most significant, those studies showed that eating fish offers powerful protection against one of the most dreaded and unpredictable consequences of heart disease: "sudden-death" heart attacks that kill within minutes. Subsequent research suggested that high fish consumption may also reduce the risk of stroke.
Controlled clinical trials have confirmed that a steady diet of fish or fish-oil supplements works as "secondary prevention," reducing the likelihood of a repeat heart attack in people who’ve already had a first attack.
For example, the Diet and Reinfarction Trial, involving some 2,000 heart-attack survivors in Wales, found that those who increased their EPA and DHA intake from fish by at least 500 milligrams a day for two years had a 29 percent lower death rate than those who didn’t boost their fish intake; a drop in fatal heart attacks accounted for that entire benefit. Another trial, involving some 11,300 Italian heart-attack survivors followed for 3 1/2 years, found that those given 850 milligrams a day of EPA and DHA from supplements had 20 percent fewer deaths overall and 45 percent fewer sudden-death heart attacks than the untreated control group.
Long-term clinical trials of fish-oil supplements have not yet been conducted in one important group: people who have major risk factors for heart disease, such as diabetes or high blood pressure, but who haven’t developed any apparent signs of the disease. So researchers cannot be sure that taking these supplements would work as "primary prevention"--keeping a heart attack from occurring in the first place.
However, William S. Harris, Ph.D., professor of medicine at the University of Missouri and director of the Lipid and Metabolic Research Laboratory at the MidAmerica Heart Institute, notes, "There has never been a cardiologic treatment that worked as secondary prevention that didn’t also work as primary prevention."
Copyright © 2000-2006 Consumers Union of U.S., Inc. No reproduction, in whole or in part, without written permission.
Posted: 2007-08-15 10:52
by tiffany
我觉得哈,吃这些东西不如买点儿三文鱼。
Posted: 2007-08-15 10:52
by Knowing
Posted: 2007-08-15 10:54
by karen
可是三文鱼污染得很厉害啊,不是说水银成分高吗。
Posted: 2007-08-15 10:56
by Jun
There have been studies recently showing that vitamin E supplement (so called "free radical eliminating" antioxidant) not only does not prevent heart disease, but seems to be associated with higher mortality (rate of death) than people not taking the supplement.
The body is a very complex system, sort of like the financial market. Be careful of unintended consequences.
Posted: 2007-08-15 11:00
by silkworm
知道鱼油好处挺多,但是我总是自言自语地问,多深海的鱼?多少条鱼?不饱和的成分多少?是不是和吃三文鱼一样有污染?
我目前吃大路货的prenatal维生素(带叶酸folic acid),带D的钙片(Citracal=calcium citrate),还吃一种亚麻子提取物(flaxseed)Expecta ,号称是鱼油功效一样,但没有污染。
Posted: 2007-08-15 11:19
by 豪情
FDA开过一个按鱼的种类含水银量的单子, 三文鱼相当低. TUNA很高, 还有秋刀鱼也很高.
Posted: 2007-08-15 11:20
by tiffany
三文鱼水银含量还ok,剑鱼,tuna比较危险。
Posted: 2007-08-15 11:25
by 森林的火焰
维生素有摄入的必要,人有时候不能意识到自己的偏食,可能就会缺少某些维生素。但是鱼油这些东西,我觉得最好是吃鱼;我总觉得从食物中摄入是生理可以承受的范围,吃浓缩的丸儿片儿,如果是好东西还好;万一有点什么坏作用,长此以往,身体难以招架得住。
另外,菜肉瓜果的organic还比较make sense;维生素片之类的organic似乎勉强;organic的东西能做成小药片一小瓶一小瓶的么?经过那些萃取浓缩添加防止氧化成分再做成片剂的工序,之前是那点organic的效用早被抵消了。
Posted: 2007-08-15 13:25
by ruby
我生完宝宝还坚持吃了1.2年prenatal维生素,后来就吃宝宝的gummy bear 维生素。最近听说的新trend是prenatal维生素加DHA,做成两片(dual装)或2in1.
Posted: 2007-08-15 16:22
by 橙
I know. I am such a sucker for those terms "organic" "whole" "biotransformed" "energizing " "free-radical scavenging" ...
K同学这要是掉进化妆品广告的窝里可怎么办呐!
Posted: 2007-08-15 16:34
by Knowing
我对自己用的几样化妆品忠诚度很高,对广告的抵抗力挺强的,基本就不看。哪种化妆品没有几十万个女人在用,真管用口碑早就出来了,用的着打广告吗。
老实说,涂涂抹抹是不能挽回大局的,最管用的还是直接上手术刀。
但是维生素之类的东西就不一样了,又不是肉眼可见的,还是得看专家的评价啊。
我得订个CONSUMER REPORT 看看,以后买什么都省的调研了。
Posted: 2007-08-15 20:59
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Posted: 2007-08-15 21:02
by DeBeers
ruby wrote:我生完宝宝还坚持吃了1.2年prenatal维生素,后来就吃宝宝的gummy bear 维生素。最近听说的新trend是prenatal维生素加DHA,做成两片(dual装)或2in1.
是,价钱比单独的孕期维生素药片高很多倍。
我们家是costco的kirkland signature鱼油的消费大户,每次几十瓶地买,再装箱搬到邮局寄回去。前几天刚买了一批,结果好象邮局没有海运的选项了,看样子要走空运,唉,荷包又要瘪一块儿

Posted: 2007-08-18 8:07
by 狸狸
哎呀,看得我都怦然心动。
我老人家注意力障碍症持续严重,最近被某人蒙古大夫为“缺锌”。再说我一直偏食,看来得找点维生素丸子吃是王道啊。
K同学你先小白鼠一下吧……吃着好给我寄两箱

Posted: 2007-08-18 8:44
by Knowing
你跟我不能吃一种维生素。你得吃带叶酸的。

Posted: 2007-08-18 9:29
by 森林的火焰
Twin你应该多吃青菜和茄子

Posted: 2007-08-18 10:04
by 丁冬
生完了为什么还要吃孕妇维生素啊?哺乳需要?
Posted: 2007-08-18 19:16
by DeBeers
yeah, during breastfeeding, you need to take prenatal vitamin.
Posted: 2007-08-19 8:58
by 狸狸
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你跟我不能吃一种维生素。你得吃带叶酸的。
谣言止于智者!

Posted: 2007-08-19 11:05
by icefire
我厚颜地跳上来问,你们给父母什么样的保健品?
我父母日常就吃卵磷脂,综合维生素。上次和国内的亲戚通话时,他说吃了一种叫“力思丁”的,有效果,减轻头晕症状。上网一查,就是卵磷脂的音译。
前一阵子听朋友推荐,买了fulong公司的活心素(心脏)和灯盏素(脑部)。听我妈说,她心跳明显比以前快了,以前只有5。60,现在有70多。也不知是好是坏。价钱不低。
老年人吃钙片,是不是容易得结石?
还有,蜂胶的效果怎样?
我很无知地问,以前听说深海鱼油是荤的,没有素的好。。。
有别的推荐么?对于老年人的 (脑梗塞,血压高,心脏。。。)

Posted: 2007-08-19 16:00
by 森林的火焰
心跳快了一般来说可不是好事儿啊,也不知道这活心素到底是什么,还是不要吃了吧

。
蜂胶已经揭出来是骗中国人的了,可能坏处也没有,但何必花那个冤枉钱。
老年人特别是女性,其实主要是注意雌激素水平下降以后的钙流失;饮食均衡清淡。全面补充维生素是需要的,但别的号称有什么什么功能的,其实都没有什么特别的效果。依我说,不吃最好。
Posted: 2007-08-19 16:03
by Knowing
我给父母买鱼油,维生素和钙片。他们身体健康没慢性病,也不信别的。
老年人得补钙吧。我奶奶以前很脆弱,她吃东西挑嘴又不肯喝牛奶,过了六十五后,稍微轻轻摔一跤就骨折,从大概七十岁开始,我爸强迫她每天吃钙片,再摔跤就没骨折过 --当然也是很轻的摔。我们都认为是吃钙片的缘故。
Posted: 2007-08-19 19:43
by DeBeers
我爸妈他们就是鱼油和钙片。这个吃药还有个心理作用在里面。据说我大姨有一阵身体很不好,我妈给她寄了2瓶costco的鱼油,吃了效果显著,大概跟迷信国外的药的效果有关。不过管它是真好还是心理作用,有效果就成不是

Posted: 2007-08-19 21:52
by Elysees
我说,这个钙片,以前老听说什么水钙片(Liquid Calcium?)的,但是我最近带着我妈买,看来看去都买不着了,都是普通的钙片阿。有什么差别吗?
还有钙片咱们现在需要吃吗?我一般也就吃One a day,还三天打鱼两天晒网的吃,似乎没觉得不吃的时候比吃的时候差。。。。
Knowing wrote:你跟我不能吃一种维生素。你得吃带叶酸的。
这话说的。。。Very informative啊。。。。摸下巴。。。
Posted: 2007-08-20 7:31
by silkworm
icefire,不是我故意打击你哈,那个发龙药业,成天在文学城做广告的,一看就是卖狗皮膏药大力丸印度蛇油的架势。
我即使是对他们推销的药品保健品类型感兴趣,也坚决不买他们公司的。
说我崇洋媚外吧,老美健康食品店的一些产品,还稍微靠谱儿一点,比如钙片,鱼油,叶黄素,茄红素,蓝莓。老中弄出来的唬人的东西,那简直是长江后浪推前浪,前些年还流行过一种什么大溪地神奇的果子汁儿呢,用传销的方式买,包治百病,内服外敷的,如今还有人提么?!现在又推出蜂胶、养肝素、活心素了,多亏他们这么与时俱进地开发新产品。真是I服了U。
Posted: 2007-08-20 9:11
by 洛洛
那种大溪地果汁(nobu?)倒是在costco有的卖,20多块钱一瓶,效果怎么样我没试过。
这星期在韩亚龙(一间韩国店)买了很好喝的果子醋,有石榴和莓子口味的。我回家倒了半杯,一入口,酸得我挤眉弄眼的。才醒悟到店里试喝的时候是兑稀了。――味道跟石榴果汁差不多,不过让人心里感觉很健康。
Posted: 2007-08-20 20:12
by DeBeers
whole foods还卖枸杞汁,死贵死贵的,我很好奇会是啥滋味,还有得多补啊

Posted: 2007-08-20 20:29
by 小涵
这个大蒜油的作用怎么样?我爸妈迷信大蒜油.说是降血脂. 我看老美也不怎么吃.
Posted: 2007-08-20 22:08
by 森林的火焰
真管用早就敲锣打鼓卖通街了
吃大蒜油又不如吃大蒜了。
Posted: 2007-08-20 23:39
by najja
丢个贴来给大家看看
浅谈维生素(含7种综合维生素比较)
不过推荐摄入量貌似见仁见智啊, 听说常有新paper出来说需要的更多或更少. 水溶的过量的还好, 脂溶的过量就有点危险了. 另外像jun说的那样, 原材料的纯度也很重要.
Posted: 2007-08-21 21:51
by 海岸
我老年纪见长,对自己的身体越来越爱惜,每天都要吞维生素和鱼油
我得说,有2个更得注意添加
胶原蛋白(不止对皮肤好对体内很多好)和葡萄籽精华(抗氧化)
但是这个东西也是讲一个吸收率.个人体制不同的.
以前一直被标榜的Q10(护肤品里常标明的),原来也是有点骗人,这是治疗心血管的.