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做出个时代女性的样子来
Posted: 2008-02-02 0:07
by Knowing
今天在CNN上看到米雪奥巴马,哗,真是。。样子好。
米雪奥巴马说话很有纹路,比希拉里当年强多了。记得希拉里摆事业女性的款儿摆的太足,开口就是“我可不是在家烤小松饼的女人”得罪了全体家庭妇女的事嘛?米雪奥巴马也是女强人,还是少数族裔,非但不带一点“我拼搏到今天不容易谁也别拦着我”的口气,话说的比唱的还好听,姿态又真诚又舒服。
记者问她:“你是否赞同丈夫竞选?”
她说:“不,高强度的竞选活动对任何家庭都代价沉重。我觉的刚经过那么困难的一场参议员竞选该松口气了,他又要选总统,我简直受不了。。。但是我想,如果我不是他妻子,而是任何一个美国人,我会很希望他竞选。。。他能使越来越分裂的美国民众联合起来。。。最后我战胜了自己的自私。我喜欢竞选活动,到各地跟民众直接接触,听取他们的心声”(真是美国版本的“领导我给你提个意见,你工作太辛苦得注意身体。”)
记者问:“作为位高权重的成功女性,你是否可惜放弃自己的事业来迁就丈夫的选择?”
她说:“不,我一向知道自己要作什么,并不犹豫去做。在某天我可以,也可能继续我的事业。现在我在全力做现在的事情”(有事业心,有取舍,坚定,目标明确,have -it-all, 事业女性们听了肯定认同,)
记者问:“可是在某种程度上你不觉的你的事业定义你么?”
她马上驳斥:”不,我在生活里做的事情定义我,事业是其中之一。我是一个母亲,从这个角色中我汲取了很多力量。我不会为竞选活动扭曲我孩子的生活,竞选班子了解并尊重这一点,我从不离开家超过两天,不会错过她们的芭蕾表演。“(兼顾丈夫和孩子的需要不等于没有自我,have-it-all, 郊区足球妈妈们听了肯定也很认同。)
记者问到种族问题可使她感到困难。她说:“不,当人们认识我,在ohio,当我谈起我的父母怎样养育我,人们就会超越肤色认同我,因为我们有同样传统和价值。”(准跟红脖子猛谈基督了)
记者拼命挑逗她,她一次希拉里的名字都没提,一口一个“他的竞争对手说”,就事论事,一句针对性的批评都没说。(不跟比尔一般见识)
当然她运气好,晚生二十年,路上遇到的困难少,姿态当然可以比希拉里摆的大方。这不能怪希拉里。
Posted: 2008-02-02 8:28
by karen
半年前(还是一年前)她就在某时装杂志上说了同样的话,那时还没这么自如。 到现在至少说了几百遍了,当然真诚了。 我不喜欢的就是她为了“软化”熬吧吗的形像上台暴私料说他早上有口臭。 Ewwhh, 我干嘛要知道这个?
嗯,我横竖向着希啦璃, 她的对头怎么都不是。

Posted: 2008-02-02 8:29
by Jun
Hillary Clinton 当上第一夫人的时候是快二十年前了,那时候的社会风气也跟现在很不同。Bill Clinton 其实很受家庭妇女的欢迎,他当选还是靠了soccer moms 的支持,Hillary 说出我不是家庭妇女的话自然有点忘恩负义的味道。而且Hillary 恐怕怎么算都是比 Obama 夫妻俩都强硬的人,如果她是Michelle 这岁数这时代长大的,哪儿还会走第一夫人的道路,早自己闯政路了。唉,Barack Obama 这个后盾可比Hillary 的强多了。Michelle Obama 在公众场合下的有礼有节的说话策略固然是幕后练出来的本子,为什么Bill 到现在还要四处抢镜头呢?还要满嘴放炮乱说话呢?关键时刻老帮倒忙,出于他的身份和脾气,加上Hillary 现在的智囊团大多是过去 Bill 的人,我猜大家也管不了他。哼哼,他捅了篓子还得她来补救。本来很多人就害怕 Hillary 当上总统,实际上是 Bill 在背后插手 --- 当然我不认为他有那个本事 --- 但是他现在那么爱出风头,简直是替人印证了这个疑心。Hillary 真倒霉,她要是能有个好点儿的老公肯定早上去了。。。如果她家里的那位能象Nancy Pelosi 或者HP的那个前总裁多好!
Posted: 2008-02-02 10:33
by Knowing
要说的跟半年前不一样你又该说她出尔反尔了。

竞选本来就跟歌手做演唱会旅行一样,一套车毂辘话在各地轮流说,高强度体力活。练练能说顺溜不希奇,只怕说多了人疲掉了缺乏真诚的姿态,选民不买帐。还有些倒霉孩子怎么练都缺表情,比如gore. hillary 。
没事,当年bill 竞选,hillary 也给捅了不少漏子,他们俩拉平了。bill 现在知错就改乖的很。
Posted: 2008-02-02 13:20
by Jun
还有些倒霉孩子怎么练都缺表情,比如gore. hillary 。
所以当Hillary 掉了两滴眼泪时我相信她不是在演戏啊。
姿态好看有啥用?我就盼着出个姿态难看的左派领导,不择手段,凶狠毒辣,否则软塌塌地还不给neo-con给一口吞了?
Posted: 2008-02-02 13:50
by 笑嘻嘻
是啊是啊,我跟 Karen 一条心。
Posted: 2008-02-02 20:29
by pomo
我和笑嘻嘻也一条心。
Posted: 2008-02-02 20:35
by 小涵
那天hilary和obama辩论真好看, 真娱乐 。两个人的水平都不错,不过就我看, hilary略胜一筹。
obama资格是嫩了点。 再攒点经历就强了。如果他能等上十二年(2届民主党, 再加一届共和党), 估计总统也是他的。 可是他偏不等了。 也是,万一一等16年哪。 hilary比他有耐心。 2004年就没出来。
我有件事特别不明白。 今年显然是民主党的了。什么都敌不过老百姓喜新厌旧的心,共和党干了8年了,换一换是必然的事。 如果我是共和党的候选人 ,我为啥要出来,费力不讨好的。 不过, McCain确实也等不起了,年岁不饶人了。辩论, campaign 有的时候都感觉精力搭不上了。
Posted: 2008-02-02 21:13
by 笑嘻嘻
我觉得美国选个举,比什么 show 都好看,尤其是今年有奥巴马和希拉里这两个又出彩又有实力的对手。
Posted: 2008-02-02 21:24
by 小涵
笑嘻嘻 wrote:我觉得美国选个举,比什么 show 都好看
太同意了。 04年大选夜,我在肯德基排队,和我一样, 很多人买了快餐回去和朋友们一起过竞选夜。非常有意思。
希拉里那天刚开始辩论的时候还有点紧张, 胡乱giggle来着。 我还想,要糟。结果马上松弛下来, 两人非常高手的样子。 最后不管是不是装的,惺惺的样子,很武林高手。

比共和党的对抽辩论好看多了。
Posted: 2008-02-03 0:42
by 幻儿
我觉得民主党和共和党谁胜谁负还很难说呢。希拉里一贯的强硬形象非常不讨好,虽然现在她想改了,可不知道还来不来得及。奥巴马又太嫩,资历太浅。2000年民主党天时地利的,还居然输给小布什。今年我也不敢乐观了。
可能我有点多虑了,只是我的亲友同学老师们,一半选奥巴马,一半选McCain,没有一个人喜欢希拉里。
Posted: 2008-02-03 9:48
by 花差花差小将军
我还是盼望bloomberg会一头扎进来

Posted: 2008-02-03 10:18
by Rye
我倒是觉得克林顿那样做是为了take some heat off his wife , as well as get more free TV time.我觉得是一个策略性的东西,而且有人买他的帐。相比来说,michelle没有什么贡献,当然也没有什么损害。
奥巴马最大的优点之一,就是他从政时间短,没有什么dirt,如果党议员久了,也不过是另一个dirty politician,很难有什么新鲜感了。
Posted: 2008-02-03 10:47
by Jun
I don't mind if McCain wins, but the likelihood is small. Republicans hate hate hate him. If he can pass the primary, then his chance might improve. But then Romney is also much hated. It's hard to be a Republican voter this time because none of the candidates fully represents what they want. Huckabee is socially conservative but fiscally liberal. The average people may like him but the corporate Republican establishment is afraid of his populist policies. Playing the poor-card gets you nowhere -- just look at Edwards.
Bloomberg 现在进来已经太晚了,他的卖点不过是John Edwards 退出后给白人男选民提供一个落脚点。全国人民根本不把纽约市当美国看。
Bill Clinton 给对手泼脏水的那套等 general election 再用不迟,在民主党 primary 的时候用是没有多少人买账的,效果适得其反。民主党选民不喜欢看到自己是白人、代表establishment 的 Hillary Clinton 挑起种族争议。本来老一辈的黑人还挺买 Bill 的帐,这么一来不是等于把黑人选民往门外赶?
Posted: 2008-02-03 12:37
by 小涵
我对bloomberg 的党派现在搞不太清楚了。他是不是宣布变independent了?
好像他从前还做过democrat....
Posted: 2008-02-03 13:31
by 幻儿
Jun wrote:I don't mind if McCain wins, but the likelihood is small. Republicans hate hate hate him.
共和党人恨McCain这是从何说起呢?我虽然在纽约州上学,可却是共和党控制下的密苏里州居民,我在密苏里的亲友们全是共和党人,全都支持McCain。我在纽约州的朋友们,凡是支持共和党的也都支持McCain. 不过我承认这也就是个anecdotal的感觉,不是统计出来的结果,不具代表性。
Posted: 2008-02-03 14:20
by Jun
我说得不准确,是保守派的Republicans 恨McCain,特别是宗教保守派和neo-conservatives,Fox News 从来不说他好话。右派认为他是假 Republican,因为他有好几次跟民主党合作通过一些联合法案,例如McCain--Feingold 选举捐款案,被当时从大公司收钱的其他共和党政客一致怨恨入骨。后来 McCain-Feingold campaign financing bill 被改得千疮百孔,漏洞一大堆,人人有空子钻。
共和党的基础选民大量地不信任他,因为他跟民主党有合作的历史。过去十几年里国会都是右派的极端分子Tom DeLay 他们当道,共和党的议员绝大多数都不敢表露一点中间路线或者同对方合作的意向,生怕被自己人打压,McCain 是少数不吃那套的人,所以被普遍憎恨认为对本党不忠实。他背上插的刀子,来自共和党的要多过民主党插的。
最初小灌木推动庞大的corporate tax cut 的时候,McCain 投了反对票。现在却表示要make the tax cut permanent,很明显是为了讨好共和党的基础选民。我这个liberal 就是因为他当初反对给corporation 减税才喜欢他的。光那一条就在短短几年内掏空了多少国库,效果不比打伊拉克战争小呢。他也一直反对堕胎,但我不认为他会因为这一件事而跟中间派和左派翻脸。
00年竞选时,McCain 还批判Jerry Fawell 是"agent of intolerance",更加让宗教原旨主义的共和党选民恨他。后来他不得不忍辱跑到Fawell 的宗教大学里去讲话,跟他们拉关系,人家也并不买账。当 Rove 和走狗在南卡诬陷他叛国主义时,这么outrageous 的说法---McCain 在越南当战俘的时候,小灌木靠家族关系在National Guards里混事儿---竟然成功,他在本党内的可信度也可想而知了。
还有一点让共和党右派讨厌他的地方在于,McCain 跟Fox News之外的媒体关系不错,他的坦率风格和对媒体的公开态度让记者对他好感很高。但是保守派最恨他这一点,因为他们觉得mainstream media 都是被liberals 占领的高地,只有Fox 才是他们的喉舌,于是这更加变成 McCain is sleeping with the enemy 的谣言。
Posted: 2008-02-04 12:06
by Knowing
今年选举最让人快活的就是没有一个死硬保守派成气候。等MITT ROMNEY 被MCCAIN 灭了,我就可以踏实了。McCain, Hillary, Obama, even Bloomberg, 谁上我都放心。

Posted: 2008-02-04 12:15
by Jun
据说 Hillary Clinton 又一次当众动感情抹眼泪了。

Posted: 2008-02-04 12:16
by baptist
我是多么的希望Hillary 能赢primary 啊,不过看样子形势越来越不乐观了。我身边越来越多的原来铁定选她的人现在都改了奥巴马,这还是在加州。本地报纸昨天登出的比例也是Hillary 36%,Obama 34%,这基本上就是误差范围之内。哎,真希望她能顺利过这一关,如果她赢了这一局,赢general election 的希望就非常大了。不为别的,我觉得美国真的是该有一个女性总统的时候。Hillary 手段老辣,城府很深,我相信她会是一个好总统。可惜希望渺茫。在她以后,下一个女总统不知道要等到什么时候。
Posted: 2008-02-04 12:34
by Jun
Poor Hillary Clinton! She really reminds me of Lyndon Johnson. She is not good-looking, charismatic, or naturally likable, but she is indeed 手段老辣,城府很深, an effective and pragmatic politician with all the right agendas. Democrats don't like her because she voted in favor of Iraq war. Republicans hate her because of the grudge against her husband. People are not rational and are often driven by likability and appearance.
Bush has announced his 09 federal budget, in which he cuts health care (medicare, medicaid, FDA, NIH, etc.), education, social service, and every domestic spending. Yet the budget still creates one of the largest deficits ever. So where does all that money go? Economic stimulus package, increased MILITARY spending, and PERMANENT TAX CUT FOR THE RICH.
Posted: 2008-02-04 12:38
by dropby
Can any tax cut be permanent?

Posted: 2008-02-04 12:48
by Jun
I don't think so --- unless voters continue to support conservative Republican politicians.
Re: 做出个时代女性的样子来
Posted: 2008-02-04 13:04
by qinger
看了这个感觉她跟他老公真配, 虚伪得厉害。
Knowing wrote:今天在CNN上看到米雪奥巴马,哗,真是。。样子好。
米雪奥巴马说话很有纹路,比希拉里当年强多了。记得希拉里摆事业女性的款儿摆的太足,开口就是“我可不是在家烤小松饼的女人”得罪了全体家庭妇女的事嘛?米雪奥巴马也是女强人,还是少数族裔,非但不带一点“我拼搏到今天不容易谁也别拦着我”的口气,话说的比唱的还好听,姿态又真诚又舒服。
记者问她:“你是否赞同丈夫竞选?”
她说:“不,高强度的竞选活动对任何家庭都代价沉重。我觉的刚经过那么困难的一场参议员竞选该松口气了,他又要选总统,我简直受不了。。。但是我想,如果我不是他妻子,而是任何一个美国人,我会很希望他竞选。。。他能使越来越分裂的美国民众联合起来。。。最后我战胜了自己的自私。我喜欢竞选活动,到各地跟民众直接接触,听取他们的心声”(真是美国版本的“领导我给你提个意见,你工作太辛苦得注意身体。”)
记者问:“作为位高权重的成功女性,你是否可惜放弃自己的事业来迁就丈夫的选择?”
她说:“不,我一向知道自己要作什么,并不犹豫去做。在某天我可以,也可能继续我的事业。现在我在全力做现在的事情”(有事业心,有取舍,坚定,目标明确,have -it-all, 事业女性们听了肯定认同,)
记者问:“可是在某种程度上你不觉的你的事业定义你么?”
她马上驳斥:”不,我在生活里做的事情定义我,事业是其中之一。我是一个母亲,从这个角色中我汲取了很多力量。我不会为竞选活动扭曲我孩子的生活,竞选班子了解并尊重这一点,我从不离开家超过两天,不会错过她们的芭蕾表演。“(兼顾丈夫和孩子的需要不等于没有自我,have-it-all, 郊区足球妈妈们听了肯定也很认同。)
记者问到种族问题可使她感到困难。她说:“不,当人们认识我,在ohio,当我谈起我的父母怎样养育我,人们就会超越肤色认同我,因为我们有同样传统和价值。”(准跟红脖子猛谈基督了)
记者拼命挑逗她,她一次希拉里的名字都没提,一口一个“他的竞争对手说”,就事论事,一句针对性的批评都没说。(不跟比尔一般见识)
当然她运气好,晚生二十年,路上遇到的困难少,姿态当然可以比希拉里摆的大方。这不能怪希拉里。
Posted: 2008-02-04 13:07
by qinger
当年可是好多穷人选了他的。
民主这东西,有时候也很难说。
Jun wrote:Poor Hillary Clinton! She really reminds me of Lyndon Johnson. She is not good-looking, charismatic, or naturally likable, but she is indeed 手段老辣,城府很深, an effective and pragmatic politician with all the right agendas. Democrats don't like her because she voted in favor of Iraq war. Republicans hate her because of the grudge against her husband. People are not rational and are often driven by likability and appearance.
Bush has announced his 09 federal budget, in which he cuts health care (medicare, medicaid, FDA, NIH, etc.), education, social service, and every domestic spending. Yet the budget still creates one of the largest deficits ever. So where does all that money go? Economic stimulus package, increased MILITARY spending, and PERMANENT TAX CUT FOR THE RICH.
Posted: 2008-02-04 13:16
by dropby
Jun wrote:I don't think so --- unless voters continue to support conservative Republican politicians.
That's why I ask after seeing "PERMANENT TAX CUT FOR THE RICH."
Posted: 2008-02-04 13:16
by qinger
我感觉如果obama赢了党内选举,McCain赢了共和党,最后的选举还有得看。
quote="幻儿"]我觉得民主党和共和党谁胜谁负还很难说呢。希拉里一贯的强硬形象非常不讨好,虽然现在她想改了,可不知道还来不来得及。奥巴马又太嫩,资历太浅。2000年民主党天时地利的,还居然输给小布什。今年我也不敢乐观了。
可能我有点多虑了,只是我的亲友同学老师们,一半选奥巴马,一半选McCain,没有一个人喜欢希拉里。[/quote]
Posted: 2008-02-04 13:19
by Knowing
dropby wrote:Jun wrote:I don't think so --- unless voters continue to support conservative Republican politicians.
That's why I ask after seeing "PERMANENT TAX CUT FOR THE RICH."
Lots of the voters are complete i___ts. If they get a $300 tax cut, they are too happy to notice the riches are getting $300 million tax breaks, and they don't ever think about the ridicioulous deficit they will have to live with the years to come.
Posted: 2008-02-04 13:24
by Jun
In head-to-head polls, Obama beats McCain (or any other Republican candidate) in hypothetical general election, but H. Clinton is less electable. Republicans prefer Hillary to win the Democratic nomination because Obama would be more difficult for McCain to beat. Democrats want Romney to be nominated because he can't beat his way out of a paperbag.
A Clinton-vs-McCain election will be very close, at least based on the polls now.
The "ridiculous federal deficit" will most likely screw up Americans' children and grandchildren, but hey I plan to have no kids so I'm safe!
Posted: 2008-02-04 13:31
by Knowing
Posted: 2008-02-04 14:01
by qinger
边上班边偷偷灌水就是会词不达意。其实我想说的是,如果McCain赢了共和党, 最后的选举还有点看头。
Obama也不是铁板钉钉的,说不定那些白人看到黑人拼命嚷嚷着支持Obama心生反感。。。
Jun wrote:In head-to-head polls, Obama beats McCain (or any other Republican candidate) in hypothetical general election, but H. Clinton is less electable. Republicans prefer Hillary to win the Democratic nomination because Obama would be more difficult for McCain to beat. Democrats want Romney to be nominated because he can't beat his way out of a paperbag.
A Clinton-vs-McCain election will be very close, at least based on the polls now.
The "ridiculous federal deficit" will most likely screw up Americans' children and grandchildren, but hey I plan to have no kids so I'm safe!
Posted: 2008-02-04 14:07
by 笑嘻嘻
It sounds stupid to admit, but that's exactly what I am worrying about.

Posted: 2008-02-04 14:39
by Knowing
我建议你和JUN从现在开始马上努力喝酒,抽烟,纵欲。

Posted: 2008-02-04 14:43
by Jun
No, what if I get to relocate to Canada or New Zealand at the age of 65?

Posted: 2008-02-04 14:46
by Knowing
那你最好现在就把美元换成加元投资。不然到你65岁,那点美金存款就够在美国勉强度日的。
Posted: 2008-02-04 14:57
by 笑嘻嘻
那你都是怎么准备的?还是你决心以犬儒主义度过你的晚年?
Posted: 2008-02-04 15:07
by Jun
小K 真是狠心哪。
我们的伟大总统挑这时候放出这么一个09年花钱表,我简直要以为是故意给共和党primary选举拆台呢(你没看错,我说的就是共和党)。明摆着要激怒稍微有点脑子的有点记性的群众嘛。
Posted: 2008-02-04 15:16
by Knowing
所以我把希望寄托在年轻英俊,生气勃勃的变化代表人身上哪。我希望他变魔术出来呗。医疗保险又便宜又可以爱什么时候加入什么时候加入,大家都受教育爱工作爱攒钱,股市一直涨,税一直降,仗的不打, 种族和解,中西部和东西海案和解,全世界都跟美国和解。

Posted: 2008-02-04 15:27
by baptist
刚刚在CNN 上看到标题 "Clinton gets teary-eyed again",我悲观地想,没有第二次"teary-eyed",明天也许还有希望,现在,她输定了。
Posted: 2008-02-04 16:02
by simonsun
baptist wrote:刚刚在CNN 上看到标题 "Clinton gets teary-eyed again",我悲观地想,没有第二次"teary-eyed",明天也许还有希望,现在,她输定了。
啊?
Posted: 2008-02-04 16:10
by Jun
连比较帅的会计和银行职员我都不太信任,更别提长得帅的政客了,办事能力很要打问号!嘴甜就更加不可靠了。Hillary Clinton 的PR 水准低,不会影响到我对她的支持,也未必影响到本来就支持她的选民。
Posted: 2008-02-04 16:28
by Knowing
不能这么说。OBAMA 也是社会底层混上来的,没准就有很多凶狠的手段你还没见到呢。会咬的狗不叫。
再说了,光你喜欢有什么用。你到现在还不甘心承认人民跟你不是一条心么?CARL ROVE 那一套就是管用,人民吃伊吃的死脱。以毒攻毒,民主党也得派脸孔好看说话好听出去。
Posted: 2008-02-04 16:54
by 笑嘻嘻
你不能因为没见到就假定他更凶狠。
Posted: 2008-02-04 17:56
by 火星狗
记者问她:“你是否赞同丈夫竞选?”
她说:“不,高强度的竞选活动对任何家庭都代价沉重。我觉的刚经过那么困难的一场参议员竞选该松口气了,他又要选总统,我简直受不了。。。但是我想,如果我不是他妻子,而是任何一个美国人,我会很希望他竞选。。。他能使越来越分裂的美国民众联合起来。。。最后我战胜了自己的自私。我喜欢竞选活动,到各地跟民众直接接触,听取他们的心声”(真是美国版本的“领导我给你提个意见,你工作太辛苦得注意身体。”)
记者问:“作为位高权重的成功女性,你是否可惜放弃自己的事业来迁就丈夫的选择?”
她说:“不,我一向知道自己要作什么,并不犹豫去做。在某天我可以,也可能继续我的事业。现在我在全力做现在的事情”(有事业心,有取舍,坚定,目标明确,have -it-all, 事业女性们听了肯定认同,)
记者问:“可是在某种程度上你不觉的你的事业定义你么?”
她马上驳斥:”不,我在生活里做的事情定义我,事业是其中之一。我是一个母亲,从这个角色中我汲取了很多力量。我不会为竞选活动扭曲我孩子的生活,竞选班子了解并尊重这一点,我从不离开家超过两天,不会错过她们的芭蕾表演。“(兼顾丈夫和孩子的需要不等于没有自我,have-it-all, 郊区足球妈妈们听了肯定也很认同。)
记者问到种族问题可使她感到困难。她说:“不,当人们认识我,在ohio,当我谈起我的父母怎样养育我,人们就会超越肤色认同我,因为我们有同样传统和价值。”(准跟红脖子猛谈基督了)
记者拼命挑逗她,她一次希拉里的名字都没提,一口一个“他的竞争对手说”,就事论事,一句针对性的批评都没说。(不跟比尔一般见识)
这说的是啥?啥也没说嘛,这种乡愿态度最激怒我。不过我只是合法外星人,又跟人民不一条心。
我很好奇Hilary为什么掉眼泪。不像革命策略,莫非,是真心流露?
Posted: 2008-02-05 9:11
by Jun
Rush Limbaugh hates John McCain
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... &hpv=local
Limbaugh on McCain: It's Better to Be Right All the Time
By Howard Kurtz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, February 5, 2008; C01
It may be the best sideshow in presidential politics: the nation's top radio talker trying to take down the Republican front-runner in today's Super Tuesday showdown.
Rush Limbaugh has been relentless in his criticism of John McCain, prompting suggestions that he may have to soften his stance if the Arizona senator wins the nomination and faces off against Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama. But if that happens, Limbaugh said in an interview over the weekend, he would rather see the Democrats win the White House.
"If I believe the country will suffer with either Hillary, Obama or McCain, I would just as soon the Democrats take the hit . . . rather than a Republican causing the debacle," he said. "And I would prefer not to have conservative Republicans in the Congress paralyzed by having to support, out of party loyalty, a Republican president who is not conservative."
When it comes to the McCain mutiny, Limbaugh has plenty of company on the right side of the dial. Laura Ingraham endorsed Mitt Romney last week, saying, "There is no way in hell I could pull the lever for John McCain." Sean Hannity, who also endorsed the former Massachusetts governor, regularly rips McCain. Hugh Hewitt is urging the audience for his syndicated radio show to fight for Romney against what he calls a media-generated "McCain resurrection." But with a program heard on 600 stations, including Washington's WMAL, Limbaugh is the loudest and brashest voice inveighing against the man he derides as "Saint John of Arizona."
Limbaugh dismissed the notion that a McCain victory would be a "personal setback" for him. "My success is not defined by who wins elections," he said. "Elected officials come and go. I am here for as long as I wish to stay. . . .
"Yesterday it was Limbaugh vs. [Donovan] McNabb, Limbaugh vs. Michael J. Fox. Before that it was Limbaugh vs. Bill Clinton. Tomorrow it will be Limbaugh vs. Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama. And I note the media never applies this template to anyone else in media. Not to anyone in cable news, not to any of the endorsements of the major newspapers. Why are the New York Times and Washington Post not asked about the setback they both suffered when George Bush beat both their endorsed candidates in 2000 and 2004?"
Mark McKinnon, a top McCain adviser, called the criticism from Limbaugh and the other hosts "frustrating," saying: "Our question is, 'Isn't it better to get behind a Republican you may disagree with from time to time than work for an outcome that puts a Democrat in the White House with whom you will disagree all of the time?' . . .
"We don't expect Rush to fall in line. We know he's an independent guy, just like McCain. And we know he and McCain will continue to have differences, and we respect those differences."
But McKinnon said he hopes "a respectful relationship can be established" if McCain wins the nomination.
McCain has a history of strained relations with the party's right wing, especially on such issues as immigration, tax cuts and campaign finance reform. Yesterday Limbaugh said the candidate had "stabbed his own party in the back I can't tell you how many times."
Posted: 2008-02-05 10:49
by karen
这次选举太entertaining了。 昨天我看新闻说极右派的Ann Coulter很恨McCain, 伊说要是McCain得到共和党的票子,她就支持Hillary.
HANNITY: And Senator John McCain is gaining momentum, but not all conservatives are jumping for joy. Senator McCain is a polarizing candidate for many. And critics point to his stance on immigration, his work with Russ Feingold. But with a potential Hillary Clinton candidacy on the Democratic side of the aisle, will true conservatives eventually fall in line and support the Arizona senator?
Joining us now, author of the "New York Times" best seller, "If Democrats Had Any Brains, They'd be Republicans," our friend Ann Coulter. How are you?
ANN COULTER, AUTHOR, "IF DEMOCRATS HAD ANY BRAINS": Fine, thank you.
HANNITY: I'm standing on substance here.
COULTER: Yes.
HANNITY: It's immigration. It's limits on free speech. It's not supporting tax cuts.
COULTER: It's Anwar. It's torture at Guantanamo.
HANNITY: Class warfare rhetoric. It's interrogations. It's Guantanamo. It's Anwar. These are not small issues to conservatives.
COULTER: No, and if you're looking at substance rather than whether it's an R or D after his name, manifestly, if our's candidate than Hillary's going to be our girl, Sean, because she's more conservative than he is. I think she would be stronger on the war on terrorism. I absolutely believe that.
HANNITY: That's the one area I disagree with you.
COULTER: No, yes, we're going to sign up together. Let me explain that point on terrorism.
HANNITY: You'd vote for Hillary --
COULTER: I will campaign for her if it's McCain.
HANNITY: If Hillary is watching tonight, you just got an endorsement --
Posted: 2008-02-05 11:08
by Knowing
I have heard more than once from democrats that they would rather vote for McCain than Hillary. But I also heard more than once from Hillary supporters that they would vote for McCain than Obama. So, it will be fun.
Posted: 2008-02-05 11:47
by Jun
Anyone who is so hated by Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter gets my vote ... after Hillary ... maybe a tie with Obama ... if he swears never to touch Roe v. Wade ....
Posted: 2008-02-05 11:48
by karen
Yeah, people will say anything to avoid immediate pain.
Last election many people said they rather move to Canada than seeing Bush reelected. But nobody moved.

Posted: 2008-02-06 9:45
by 小伊
之前看Newsweek上的人物专访,说米雪奥巴马每日凌晨四点就起床,是个对于决定去做的事情百分百全力以赴的人。