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原因

Posted: 2008-04-02 9:49
by tiffany
2月初收到消息,我老人家折腾了n年的文章终于入围了,补俩实验再多讨论点儿事儿,基本上就发了。上周五老板给我一封email,内容只有一行:我们得赶紧把我们的文章给发了,付了一篇文章。周一在家收到,没有看文章,回老板话说本周五开始全天上班。昨天到了实验室,将文章打印出来,一看,哎,这个文章不就是我们那篇文章的图2吗!------ 当然人家做的仔细多了。看一看作者名单,赫然有我们投稿那个杂志的主编。吾乃恍然大悟这次投稿出奇顺利之深刻原因。后来老板电话过来,我跟他求证这个假设,他说:对我们没坏处,绝对没有坏处,呵呵呵呵呵。但是我们得引用这篇文献。
:glasses: :wicked: :wallace_smile:

Posted: 2008-04-02 9:58
by CAVA
听起来是好事儿吧?原因么,您就大人不计那什么人过了?

Posted: 2008-04-02 10:00
by Jun
白博说得我没看明白,是主编看了你们的文章而"拿"了里面的主意之一?还是你们的文章引用了主编的过去的研究?还是两边恰好都碰上了类似的研究题目?

Posted: 2008-04-02 10:01
by tiffany
当然当然,最重要最深刻的原因乃是我老天纵英才外加勤劳刻苦,发现了这个具有非常重大意义的事情。 :mrgreen:

Posted: 2008-04-02 10:04
by tiffany
Jun wrote:白博说得我没看明白,是主编看了你们的文章而"拿"了里面的主意之一?还是你们的文章引用了主编的过去的研究?还是两边恰好都碰上了类似的研究题目?
最后一个。基本上来讲,我们的文章有三个points,其中一个是图2,做出来结果跟他们那篇文章的point正好是相辅相成。他们那篇文章刚发出来,我们的还在等好姐妹补出来的实验结果 ----- 辅助材料图6,所以我们发的时候得引他们那篇文章。。。

Posted: 2008-04-02 10:08
by karen
恭喜白博! :-D
看一看作者名单,赫然有我们投稿那个杂志的主编。吾乃恍然大悟这次投稿出奇顺利之深刻原因。
大家一起玩嘛,你捧我我捧你。 :mrgreen:

Posted: 2008-04-02 10:13
by Jun
你们算是运气好的了。最近Science发表了一篇文章,本来是两伙人各研究各的,课题正好非常类似,但是subject 人群不同。他们发现对方的研究后决定同时寄给Science作为parallel publication,并且互相 duplicate 论点。结果呢,Science 要求他们合并为一篇文章!他们只好很勉强地答应了,其中一组特别冤,主要的数据都被放在supplemental tables里面,而且他们的principal investigator 也没能把名字列第一位,气坏了。遇到牛的杂志期刊,即使行业大拿也只好忍气吞声。

Posted: 2008-04-02 10:22
by tiffany
这种文章的话,PI名字在最后的吧?

Posted: 2008-04-02 10:29
by Jun
She didn't get to put her name last either. Both the first and the last names on the author list were taken by the other study's investigators. I think this was a pretty obvious example of women being discriminated in research. OK I'm guessing here -- not only was she pressured to concede the first place but also because she is a less aggressive, less egotistical person who is less inclined to make a ruckus in a conflict. Women are nice (be it Nature or Nurture), so they are more likely to get bullied. :mad2:

Posted: 2008-04-02 10:33
by 猫咪头
Only one PI is listed as corresponding author?

Posted: 2008-04-02 10:41
by Jun
I don't think the corresponding author carries any prestige, but yes, there is only one CA on this paper as well -- and he's also from the other study! First, last, corresponding authors are all from the other study and all men, incidentally.

Posted: 2008-04-02 10:53
by silkworm
Jun wrote:他们发现对方的研究后。
估计同领域的会上,应该知己知彼,至少有点感觉了。可惜science店大欺客。

Posted: 2008-04-02 10:54
by 猫咪头
???:shock: Corresponding author is the one other researcher contact to talk about the result and further collaboration, and hence carry prestige in my field. When 2 paper got combined, often there will be notation that the first 2 arthors are both first authors listed in alphabetical order, and both PI are corresponding authors. Isn't that right, Tiff? Silkworm?

Posted: 2008-04-02 10:58
by silkworm
不懂。没碰到过这种情势。当然更没跟science打过连连,除了我阅读它以外。

Posted: 2008-04-02 11:26
by 笑嘻嘻
恭喜白博! :super:

Posted: 2008-04-02 11:27
by Knowing
小白双丰收啊。怪不得上赶着回去上班。

Posted: 2008-04-02 11:35
by Jun
there will be notation that the first 2 arthors are both first authors listed in alphabetical order, and both PI are corresponding authors
想当年,兄弟我在编辑部干活的时候,看见过很多不同的作者顺序。我们杂志不管,作者都是自己决定排名顺序。常见的是第一作者是干活最多的,最后一个作者是senior author,经常是实验室或者department 的老板挂个名。Corresponding author 多半是干活最多,手里掌握全部的数据,对细节最清楚的人。多数是第一作者,但有时第一作者是fellow, resident,或其他类型的临时工,所以senior author 接手作为contact person。我们编辑部里的人一般只要你这个corresponding author能及时回答reviewer问题,及时修改稿件,就行了,最怕一问三不知的corresponding author。所以很多时候作者的排名顺序根据他们学校或department 的规矩来定。

在这一篇Science的文章里,senior author (最后一个), first author, corresponding author 全是不同的人。备注说,两个研究的PIs "Equally contributed to the paper." 但是第二个研究的PI 的名字不是上面任何一个的位置,而且也不是alphabetical order。

Posted: 2008-04-02 16:29
by tiffany
我们这个field,corresponding author是PI,第一作者乃是干活最多/文章是他/她的主意。所以我跟中西部孩子co-first,因为他说他有那个想法很久了 ----- 且之前他主动要求我跟他co-first了一个,当然我老的名字排在他的前面,哈哈。作者多的文章的排名还是有些政治和PR的,不过一个领域里的人一看就知道怎么回事儿。好比我们老板,他说他知道他们在做那个东西,大致结果也知道,---- 都是开会的时候私下里聊天儿聊出来的。

其实哈,对很多人来说,只要名字在science上就好啊。