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[分享] Slate: N-th degree of separation from Hitler

Post by Jun » 2008-04-21 7:22

Will the wonder never cease? Funny how this election -- or more precisely the Clinton-Obama contest -- has brought out a lot of fascinating articles and discussions that merely borrow the popularity of the candidates to explore something else.

This subject is firmly in the territory of our resident detective Dr. Silkworm. I suddenly realized that history should be taught this way -- through connections among important figures. Wouldn't that be fabulously fascinating?

Two Degrees of Adolf Hitler
Readers connect the Führer to the three major presidential candidates.
By Timothy Noah
Posted Friday, April 18, 2008, at 6:57 PM ET
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Yesterday I challenged readers to do ABC News' George Stephanopoulos and Charlie Gibson one better at the guilt-by-association game. I invited the public to connect, "six degrees"-style, one or more of the remaining three major presidential candidates to der Führer und Reichskanzler himself, Adolf Hitler (1889-1945). Stephen Colbert included a joke on the same theme in the April 17 edition of The Colbert Report. (This appears to be coincidence; although it airs at 11:30 p.m. ET, The Colbert Report starts taping around 7 p.m. ET, and I posted my Chatterbox at 7:13 p.m. ET.) Colbert's treatment of the conceit was fanciful. He suggested, with mock indignation, that Barack Obama was linked to Ted Kennedy, who was linked to the pope, who, by virtue of having joined the Hitler Youth at 14 (membership was compulsory in Germany) is linked to Hitler.

Here at Slate, we try to do better than that. My inbox was inundated with reader entries linking the candidates to Hitler via actual acquaintanceships, friendly or not, as the contest required. The challenge was to make the connection with a minimal number of links. Only two entries got it down to two degrees of separation; several got it down to three.

This exercise, which began as a gag, quickly became an intriguing illustration of the "six degrees" phenomenon. For politicians, who spend their lives meeting lots of prominent people, it is seldom necessary to forge a six-link chain, even for someone as long-dead as Hitler. In "Six Degrees of Lois Weisberg," a 1999 essay written about the mother of Slate's editor, Malcolm Gladwell argues that the six-degree phenomenon depends on "connectors," people who know lots of different people from lots of different walks of life. Lois Weisberg, he writes, is a connector. Connectors play a role in the global web of acquaintanceships that can be compared to that of an airline hub through which multileg flights are routed en route to a final destination. Politicians are practically by definition connectors, but to make the leap all the way to a distant figure like Hitler, they must rely on super-duper connectors, people whom one might compare to a fortress hub like Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport.

In seeking a fortress hub for "six degrees of Adolf Hitler," it's often wise to look across the Atlantic to the United Kingdom. Queen Elizabeth is a fortress hub because she was born in 1926 and from birth has made acquaintanceships with major players on the international scene. For instance, as a child she knew Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain, who (fatefully) made peace with Hitler at Munich. Ergo, anyone who has ever met Queen Elizabeth stands three degrees from Hitler. The Mitford sisters, collectively, are a fortress hub because a few of them lived into very old age (one survives still); because they adopted wildly divergent ideologies and sensibilities; because they were aristocrats and therefore had easy access to big shots; and because one of them, Jessica, emigrated to the United States. Pamela Harriman is a fortress hub because she had many famous and powerful husbands and lovers; because she, too, emigrated to the United States; and because, late in life, she became involved in politics, principally as a fundraiser for the Democratic Party.

I don't mean to suggest that England holds a monopoly on fortress hubs. The more cosmopolitan and long-lived ex-Nazis make particularly good fortress hubs, especially Werner von Braun and Leni Riefenstahl. The Kennedys, because of their multigenerational involvement in politics (and because patriarch Joseph Kennedy, as ambassador to the Court of St. James, sought initially to appease Hitler), are a fortress hub. Ludwig Wittgenstein is a fortress hub because, through no fault of his own, he attended school with young Adolf Hitler before later becoming an important philosopher. The fascist Spanish dictator Francisco Franco is a fortress hub because he played footsie with Hitler and later played footsie with U.S. presidents. Aviator Charles Lindburgh is a fortress hub, despite having spent much of his life as a recluse, because of his pro-Nazi sympathies and his acquaintanceship with American politicians. John Kenneth Galbraith is a fortress hub because, in his youth, he participated in a study of Allied strategic bombing during the war and because, later on, he was a U.S. ambassador to India, a Harvard professor, a founder of Americans for Democratic Action, a best-selling author, an adviser to presidential candidates, etc.

Some fortress hubs get you there quicker than others, as the contest winners clearly demonstrate:

Winner No. 1:

Hitler to Leni Riefenstahl
Riefenstahl to Hillary Clinton

(Multiple entries)

We don't know for a fact whether Bill and Hillary Clinton exchanged pleasantries with Riefenstahl when all three attended Time magazine's 75th anniversary bash back in 1998. If I had to guess, I'd say that Clinton's White House advisers made damn sure there was no chance the first couple could be photographed anywhere near Hitler's favorite documentary filmmaker. But at the very least, the Clintons and Riefenstahl inhabited simultaneously the same venue―New York's Radio City Music Hall, where the party was held. That's good enough for me. Incidentally, Ralph Nader isn't a major-party candidate, but he was at that Time magazine bash, too.

If one insists on a more rigorous standard, you can position Mick Jagger between Riefenstahl and Hillary Clinton. Riefenstahl once photographed Mick Jagger, and (as viewers of the new concert film Shine a Light can attest) the Clintons shook hands with Jagger and his fellow Rolling Stones when they played New York's Beacon Theatre in 2006. Riefenstahl also photographed Siegfried and Roy, who endorsed Hillary Clinton in the Nevada caucus, though it isn't clear there's a personal acquaintance there.

Winner No. 2:

Hitler to Pamela Harriman
Harriman to Hillary Clinton

(Todd Strickland)

Harriman was introduced to Hitler by her friend Unity Mitford, who was in love with der Führer and, when Britain declared war on Germany, killed herself with a pistol he'd given her.

Runners up:

Hitler to Werner von Braun
Von Braun to John Glenn
John Glenn to John McCain, fellow senator and Keating-Fiver.

(Multiple entries)

You can substitute Hillary Clinton for McCain because, even though they never served together in the Senate, Glenn was still representing Ohio in the Senate during Hillary's first six years as first lady. Von Braun, of course, built V-2 missiles for Hitler and later became father of the U.S. space program, which is how he knew Glenn. Glenn, incidentally, endorsed Hillary before the Ohio primary. I presume, but don't know for a fact, that Obama has met Glenn, too―hell, even I have met John Glenn―putting him three steps away from Hitler, too.

McCain to Ewald-Heinrich Von Kleist-Schmenzin,
Von Kleist-Schmenzin to Claus von Stauffenberg
Von Stauffenberg to Hitler

(Neil Quarterman)

McCain attended a dinner in Von Kleist-Schmenzin's honor in 2004. As a young man, Von Kleist-Schmenzin participated in the plot to kill Hitler in 1944. Does an attempted assassination constitute acquaintanceship? Close call, but I'm going to say no. Still, Von Kleist-Schmenzin was well-acquainted with the plot's leader, Claus Von Stauffenberg, who knew Hitler.

Hillary Clinton to Jessica Mitford
Mitford to Diana Mosley
Mosley to Hitler

(Multiple entries)

Hillary met Mitford when she clerked during the summer of 1971 for an Oakland, Calif., law firm in which Mitford's husband, Robert Treuhaft, was a partner. Mitford's sister Diana married Sir Oswald Mosley, the famous British fascist, in Berlin. Hitler attended the dinner held after the ceremony. Mitford can also be linked to Hitler via her sister Unity, as noted above. Jessica Mitford, it should be said, had a horror of Unity and Diana's politics and was herself a Communist.

Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and John McCain to Dan Rather
Rather to Riefenstahl
Riefenstahl to Hitler

(Multiple entries)



All three candidates have been interviewed by Rather, and Rather once interviewed Riefenstahl for 60 Minutes.

John McCain to Richard Nixon
Nixon to the Duke of Windsor
The Duke of Windsor to Hitler

(Multiple entries)

The Duke of Windsor, lacking a throne after 1936, had a lot of time on his hands and got around.

If Hillary Clinton and John McCain seem easier to place three acquaintanceships away from Hitler than does Barack Obama, it isn't because Obama is purer of spirit. In the six-degrees game, age confers a significant advantage (the longer you live the more people you meet and the further back you can reach). Residence in the White House puts you in touch with many, many famous and/or dubious people who themselves possess wide acquaintanceships (no hermit ever stayed overnight in the Lincoln bedroom), and being a longtime fixture in the Capitol does the same. Give Obama a few more years in the Senate or the White House and he'll be two degrees away from some pretty ghastly people, too.
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Post by Knowing » 2008-04-21 7:37

I start to find John Steward an Stephen Colbert not harsh enough for my taste. Bill Maher is my latest favorite. Especially because he is ruthless to religion.
Two weeks ago he made fun of Pope being a Nazi and got tons of complains. So last week he appologized: Ok. he was not a Nazi, he was only loyal to Hitler :mrgreen:
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Post by Jun » 2008-04-21 7:47

I don't watch him on HBO but have seen him before. I don't like him. He is prone to bitter hyperbole and hysterical attacks on anyone he does not like. He does not have the same respect for reality as Stewart and Colbert do. He can be overly mean-spirited sometimes, and I find myself frequently in disagreement with his talk. Sometimes I have to wonder if he really means what he says, and whether he is so unhappy in real life.

I don't know anything about Pope Benedict, but he was in the Nazi youth organization because every child was required to join. Remember our childhood?
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Post by 火星狗 » 2008-04-21 8:28

看到红色文字我真高兴啊,就是少了一点。
it isn't because Obama is purer of spirit
:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
He does not have the same respect for reality as Stewart and Colbert do. He can be overly mean-spirited sometimes
虽然没看,不过不妨碍胡说八道。我也觉得,尽是牢骚的人不好玩。我比较喜欢在冷嘲热讽的外表下面是一颗温暖的爱心。 :heartpump:

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Post by Knowing » 2008-04-21 8:51

I don't know anything about Pope Benedict, but he was in the Nazi youth organization because every child was required to join. Remember our childhood?
Yes, Pope addressed this in yesterday's Mass, kind of warning how dangerous a region could be if it thought it KNEW IT ALL.

Bill Maher is like Fox News for liberal. He isn't tryint to discuss any issue seriously. He is a comedian, after all. Like South Park, he says nasty things about people he doesn't like, and make us laugh. Just the jokes are bit smarter than South Park. I CLING to his programme to vent frustration in reality, like after hearing Obama saying he believes GOD created the world. :mrgreen:

And yes, I do thinkg Fox News is a F--king joke instead of News.
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Post by tiffany » 2008-04-21 9:00

看,我现在已经进步到不看新闻了,哦,不,我还是看看花边新闻的,省得被人说落伍。
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Post by 火星狗 » 2008-04-21 9:06

like after hearing Obama saying he believes GOD created the world.
He did say that? :mrgreen: 看到这些这么有 spirit 的人被挤兑的胡说八道真是搞啊。总之, my favorite 2008 entertainment program -- election.

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Post by Jun » 2008-04-21 9:15

已经有10%的美国人认为OBAMA是穆斯林了,长得就象个外国人,名字更象外国人,一看就不是"我们的人"。他还不得赶快撇清自己根正苗红的基督教身份?现在人民这么神经,就别怪政治家也很神经了。
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Post by Knowing » 2008-04-21 9:36

他家穆斯林是不少。爷爷是穆斯林。后爹是穆斯林。网上到处谣传他小时候在印尼上过穆斯林小学倒不是真的。他的一群儿兄弟姐妹,半兄弟姐妹,继兄弟姐妹, 堂表兄弟姐妹里,穆斯林肯定不少。

OBAMA 说相信神创论但不相信圣经里的描述是字面准确的,神的七天不见得是我们的七天,最后还加上一句:我相信进化论。
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Post by Jun » 2008-04-21 9:59

Do you know what kind of persons are consistently put at the bottom of the list "the type Americans will ever vote for"? Atheists. They are more feared and hated than women, blacks, homosexuals, communists... Probably considered worse than a Nazi.
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Post by Knowing » 2008-04-21 10:19

Hmmm, good thing you and I won't run for public office. :mrgreen:
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Post by 火星狗 » 2008-04-21 10:20

OBAMA 说相信神创论但不相信圣经里的描述是字面准确的,神的七天不见得是我们的七天,最后还加上一句:我相信进化论。
真难为他,效果如何就很可疑。水火不容的两边最恨墙头草了。

Obama去当副总统我很高兴,他直接走了我会小小遗憾一下,可是要是输在这种原因下面。哎,只怕对面的人也会有兔死狐悲的感觉。

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Post by CAVA » 2008-04-21 11:34

This subject is firmly in the territory of our resident detective Dr. Silkworm.
Agree :love019:
I suddenly realized that history should be taught this way -- through connections among important figures. Wouldn't that be fabulously fascinating?
得对侦探活动感点儿兴趣才行。

Queen Elisabeth在大洋此岸可真是个强力connector,如此算来,见过她的人跟Hitler都只是三度分离而已。那么我老人家就是四度了,hmm。

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Post by Jun » 2008-04-21 11:57

What? CAVA has seen the queen in person? Do you have a photograph of you shaking hands with the queen?
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Post by CAVA » 2008-04-21 12:12

CAVA - CAVA's friend - Queen - Chamberlain - Hitler,四度 :mrgreen:

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Post by 火星狗 » 2008-04-21 12:13

MarsDog - CAVA - CAVA's friend - Queen - Chamberlain - Hitler,五度

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Post by CAVA » 2008-04-21 12:20

这儿有(远远地)见过HRC的吗?这就3度了。With a bit of luck,将来跟各国首领都在4-5度之间了 ;)

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Post by 火星狗 » 2008-04-21 12:29

见Elysees发言
http://www.fabvalley.org/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=3180

Jun 同学,大家就全靠你了,赶快养个狗吧。

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Post by tiffany » 2008-04-21 12:47

等等,本系一个德国女生跟hrc合影过!看来老子跟很多国领导人也就34度分离啊!
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