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[分享]大先生 by 迈克

Posted: 2008-06-09 12:46
by 森林的火焰
  字幕翻译界的从业员,大概没有谁像我这么自讨苦吃,有福不懂得好好享,一天到晚忙逼自己做功课。譬如去年译奥桑的《华丽安琪儿》,对白本未曾拿到,先往书店买来原著阅读,无端端成了搭尾班车的依莉莎白泰莱迷──不是外号由玉女变成玉婆那一位,而是啼笑皆非与荷里活巨星同名同姓的英国作家。这次译电影版《色欲都市》,你可以想象打地基工程更浩大,找齐六季的都会女郎风流韵事,囫囵吞枣看到晨昏颠倒。其实是假公济私:当年片集热播,我并没有依时依候伏在电视机前与四女子同甘共苦,这在基界是件丢脸的事,人家知道笑你跟不上潮流还罢了,最惊心的是有被踢出会的危险,臭骂一轮之后连基都不准你再搞。
  特别参考港版影碟的中文字幕,起码人名不敢随意乱译,以免得罪与剧中人勾肩搭背的老观众。其中最头痛的,毫无疑问是准新郎Mr.Big。现有的译法分「大佬」和「大人物」两种,原先我属意前者──并非觉得它比较传神,只因为出于悭得就悭的孤寒性格,能够用两个字的话不会考虑用三个字,免得霸占银幕底下宝贵的空间。后来发行公司建议采取后者,我完全无所谓,反正片中蛇春咁长的句子不多,成人之美让他的屁股舒服一点又何妨,就像搭经济舱忽然 upgrade上商务,受惠者的感激最少延续到抵 的一刻。
  私底下我一直认为「大先生」最贴近原味,简称Big的时候是「阿大」或「老大」,虽然仍然不能百分百传递原文神髓,胜在干脆直接。不过多一事不如少一事……希治阁的忠告又响起了:「英格烈,这不过是部电影!」

Posted: 2008-06-09 13:16
by tiffany
最惊心的是有被踢出会的危险,臭骂一轮之后连基都不准你再搞。
this is sooooooooo funny

Posted: 2008-06-09 13:27
by Jun
What on earth does SATC have to do with the gay community? For SJP's muscles?

Posted: 2008-06-09 13:45
by silkworm
我看到过相当搞笑的中文字幕。

---你是基廷么?

---不,我是西而瑞而斯。










实际对白:
---Are you kidding?
---No. I am serious.

Posted: 2008-06-09 13:49
by 森林的火焰
我就是因为看到那句“连基都不准你再搞“才起了转贴之邪念的 :mrgreen:
香港的“基调“和北美完全不同,不可以一理度之。同理可度其它的一切方面。

Posted: 2008-06-09 14:08
by 火星狗
在香港搞基好像很艰难,还得奋力追上潮流。本来就是个被主流社会翻白眼的费劲事儿,TA还自己跟自己过不去。

Posted: 2008-06-09 14:17
by putaopi
Jun wrote:What on earth does SATC have to do with the gay community? For SJP's muscles?
一看Jun就是不看SATC的。剧集里多少有些基做配角,另外,it's all about style.

And five out of six seasons of the series were created by a Gay writer/Director.

Posted: 2008-06-09 14:39
by Knowing
你们在香港搞过基么?说的那么肯定。 :mrgreen:
迈克也不在香港搞基。他在全世界搞基。人家是旅行作家。。。 :frog:

Posted: 2008-06-09 14:40
by tiffany
这个比较有难度,先得把自己给活生生掰弯⋯⋯

Posted: 2008-06-09 14:41
by 森林的火焰
这叫:没见过基跑也见过基写专栏 :mrgreen:

Posted: 2008-06-09 14:48
by Knowing
我一个女友在切而西的电影院看的SATC。进去还有蛮多男生的。都是又肌肉又美貌。一群坐她们后门的女生天真的说:咦,谁说这电影只有女生看?这里不是有很多男人么?还都满好看的么。女友小声说:坐我们后面的是不知道自己在那里的外地游客吧?

Posted: 2008-06-09 14:50
by 笑嘻嘻
切而西的电影院有什么讲究吗?

Posted: 2008-06-09 14:53
by 火星狗
大概迈克天生爱追潮流,香港大部分其实还是朴实刚健的基?

似乎应该问小火焰?不过我猜她看到的也是专栏基,不是free range的。 :mrgreen:
女友小声说:坐我们后面的是不知道自己在那里的外地游客吧?
这粒女友真是纯洁可爱!

Posted: 2008-06-09 14:54
by Knowing
切而西是著名的弯男区。

Posted: 2008-06-09 15:13
by 森林的火焰
话说上周末刚跟很多free range的基吃饭,事后才意识过来。其中有一个是朋友的朋友,曾经跟这粒朋友闹别扭,发绝交信。结果我们出去吃饭的时候这粒朋友才说,今天Ryan也来。我问:咦,你们又是朋友了?原来不知道什么时候又和好了。然后这粒朋友又说,他会带男朋友来,在一起八个月了。我又说:咦,这次他终于看上一个available的了?他以前以专门看上根本不可能到手的直男而著名。
见面以后吓一跳,我印象里此人十分清秀兼清瘦,我十分欣赏他的外貌。这次看到足足大了一个码,好在脸儿仍然象Hugh Grant。又把头发留长了。他男朋友十分羞涩,满脸青春痘,但发型十分时尚。刚从贝尔法斯特回来,跟小爱高兴地扯了一通爱尔兰见闻。此人这次春风满路,谈笑风生,十分和蔼可亲,并不时爱怜地摸摸爱人的 脑袋。爱情的力量真强大呀 :mrgreen:

Posted: 2008-06-10 7:43
by 阿冬
迈老克就在三藩、巴黎和香港搞基吧……旅行艳遇……他似乎常去希腊度假,可迈老克今年都55了,对方是爷爷控? :f59:

Posted: 2008-06-10 10:59
by silkworm
冬冬你赤果果地搞年龄歧视。 :party005:

Posted: 2008-06-10 11:40
by 森林的火焰
就不许人家是知识分子控么 8)

Posted: 2008-06-10 11:51
by 豪情
然后谈艺术到深夜也不上床?

Posted: 2008-06-10 11:57
by Knowing
当然是上完了床才开始谈艺术,谈着谈着恢复了体力接着再上床。你又以直女之心度弯男之腹。 :mrgreen:

Posted: 2008-06-10 12:00
by tiffany
这简直是行为艺术啊!

Posted: 2008-06-10 12:01
by Jun
Couldn't he 谈艺术 in bed?

Posted: 2008-06-10 12:06
by Knowing
JUN!不许引诱别人说黄色笑话!端庄地说 :chicken001:

Posted: 2008-06-10 12:17
by silkworm
洪晃不是对艺术家半夜谈艺术还是上床有过精辟的叙述么。

Posted: 2008-06-10 12:21
by Knowing
要沦为影评博客了
By 阿布--

神经紧张了很多天,作息规律也再一次严重地混乱。相比以前那个享受无目的生活,整个周末不睡觉也毫无罪恶感的我,现在的我只向往可以晚上10点睡觉早上6点起床――这简直比什么都难。

今天去看Sex and the city。看得很舒服,因为从来也没有期待什么,就算再差,当作是原剧集的一个extra episode也是值得看的。说得肉麻一点,看到她们四个就象看到四个老朋友,只要见到她们的脸就比开心。电影院没有我想象的热闹,比起首映日从早到晚每个小时一场的状况,现在一天也只有两场――想必大多数铁杆粉丝早就看过了。大多数是三五成群的女孩子,此外就是一两对男同志,连男女朋友一起看的都没有。我注意到有三男三女的六人组,三个女的进来看sex and the city,男朋友们则去了其他剧场,大概是去看Indiana Jones我想。所以我坐在里面还满尴尬的。更尴尬的是两三次周围的女生都在吃吃的笑,我却抽起了鼻子。擦眼睛也不敢,还故意咳嗽两声,假装我抽鼻子是因为感冒。Charlotte就是一个催泪之母。Carrie没有剧集里多愁善感得那么讨厌了――看剧集的时候我从头到尾都气得咒她一辈子单身好了。尤其是Big在婚前退缩时,她在电话中的坚定让我意外。Facebook里面有个测试,测你是sex and the city里的谁,本来这种测验我是不反感,但是也只是做一下,不会留在profile里无谓地占位置,但是这个测试我却留了下来,因为它说我是Carrie和samantha的综合。说我和samantha有共同点我没有意见,说我象carrie我百万个不愿意,但是又不得不承认。我很不想自己是这样的综合体,因为作为这样的综合体,想不单身也难!我倒宁愿自己是百分百的samantha。影片最后三对都在一起,倒是samantha和smith分开了。我看到samantha提分手,一边觉得惋惜――因为smith始终还是全球最性感,一边为她骄傲――不愧是我最爱的samantha!

就――如果不提一下大露点的Gilles Marini,也未免太故作清高了!我对他的演出怀着感恩的心态欣赏了。当然我最爱的还是smith。
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Posted: 2008-06-10 12:33
by Jun
没有sex 怎会有艺术?艺术的存在本来就是为达到上床的目标。我严肃地指出。

Posted: 2008-06-10 12:35
by Knowing
光有SEX 也不会有艺术。得压抑的利比多才能产生艺术。 :mrgreen:

Posted: 2008-06-10 12:36
by 火星狗
狂笑ing。难怪弯男和直女可以讲到一块去,目标一致的很。我们的肚腩控小同学倒是不为所动,继续讨论严肃话题。 :mrgreen:

Posted: 2008-06-10 12:41
by 火星狗
Knowing你这照片贴的,搞得我在办公室里像做贼一样。

Posted: 2008-06-10 13:21
by simonsun
Knowing wrote:你又以直女之心度弯男之腹。 :mrgreen:
我很纯洁地指出,此处可对照craigslist之w4m和m4m两版。 :cool2:

Posted: 2008-06-10 13:30
by 豪情
也许陈就真是只有和她谈艺术的兴趣呢.

Posted: 2008-06-10 13:34
by Knowing
我一个朋友总结过:w4m is basicly "hey I have dated type 1 who is ........, type 2 who is ....., .......3......, .....4....., ,type 51 who is....., none of those worked. Where are you, Mr Perfect, who is not type 1-51? I love to travel, read, movies, music, ......"
m4m is basicly:"hot guy here, let's f__k, call me now 917-xxx-xxxx"

Posted: 2008-06-10 13:44
by Jun
I find most American dating ads to be quite boring: I'm good-looking, fun, outgoing, successful. I like movies, music, art, hiking, traveling, blah, blah, blah. They all blur together after the 3rd or 4th entry. Once I was itching to post some derogatory description about myself just as an experiment.

Posted: 2008-06-10 13:51
by Knowing
you never read "Best of Craigslist"? I guess you don't have mean friends who like to email those around and make fun of people.
Ibanker seeking romance

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: 2008-04-17, 3:20PM EDT


Hello,

ABOUT YOU:
You are a young and good-looking girl. The parental abuse that you incurred as a child has left you emotionally distant and sexually repressed. You are able to sustain months (years?) of loneliness because you shudder at the thought of human interaction. You have a constant feeling of inadequacy leading to excessive hours on the elliptical machine (and, accordingly, a nicely toned bum). I might do stuff to you while you are sleeping at 4AM (when I finally get home from the office), but, other than that, our sex-life will be nonexistent. Naive girls who have been in long-distance relationships and have had their hearts broken by guys who perpetually cheated are more than welcome to email me; I promise that I'm different.

ABOUT ME:
I am a first year analyst at a bulge-bracket investment bank; this means that I'm either Jewish, Asian, or from old-money (and, therefore, connected up the wazoo). Given that this post is (hopefully) grammatically correct, coherently legible, and satirically palatable, I'd like to think that I got into banking based on merits associated with my intelligence; therefore, I'm probably not from old money and am not connected up the wazoo (sorry).

I got into banking as a result of an overwhelming abundance of insecurities. I went to a top-tiered and prestigious undergraduate university, yet, have always felt inferior to the Harvardites and Princetonians that surround me. I'm likely either short and socially outcasted (with excellent kung-fu skills) or schnoz-nosed and unable to date, as every girl I meet in Manhattan is a UES slut that reminds me of my mother.

I go to the gym every morning, as my unnecessarily ambitious and secretively compensating type-A personality forces me to always strive for the best. That, and also the endorphins released from the exercise keep me elated enough to prevent attempting suicide for at least 24 hours.

I approach dating as I do anything else; as a strict meritocracy where I compete to win. At bars, I won't tell girls that I'm a banker; I feel that it would be unfair to take a girl home by playing the pity card ("Oh, you work in banking? I feel so bad for you. Fine, I guess I'll sleep with you."). I'll likely say that I'm a math teacher at the Dalton School (my Jewish/Asian heritage helps me here) so that girls realize that I'm piss-poor (as are all my other analyst buddies, despite what we tell our family and friends back home) but have Epstein potential.

My interests include playing brickbreaker on my blackberry, romantic dinners expensed to my firm, and finding novel ways to entertain myself during late-night hours (posting personal ads on Craigslist at 3AM - FUN; getting head from you while you hide under my desk - PROBABLY FUNNER).

If you fit my description (and God help you if you do...) feel free to email me. Pictures of boobs (yours or random ones you find on the internet) would be helpful to include in the email. As I'm posting this with my work email address, I'm hoping to get lucky enough that some back-office rat finds the inappropriate content during a routine inbox sweep, so that I can finally be liberated from this relentless world of superficial elitism. I'm talking about the old-money guys.



Posted: 2008-06-10 13:54
by Knowing
Or this m4w ad. A bit too explicit so I am only posting the link here.
Silda Spitzer, I will totally do you. - m4w

Posted: 2008-06-10 14:04
by Jun
:lol:

Posted: 2008-06-10 14:10
by Knowing
Great stuff, huh? :lol: Dont' you love New Yorkers and Mr Bigs?

Posted: 2008-06-10 14:22
by tiffany
我很不知足的说这个衰锅就黑白照好看。

Posted: 2008-06-10 23:11
by putaopi
看到有的影评嘲笑SATC过时,说夸张的时装是老女人之宠,人家精明干练的时髦女郎都别着"OBAMA“的胸章。不禁想这四个女人会选Hilary还是会选Obama.不用说,Miranda肯定选Hilary, Samantha一定选Obama: " He is a hottie! " 剩下两个我还真猜不出了。 

Posted: 2008-06-11 3:17
by Elysees
putaopi wrote:看到有的影评嘲笑SATC过时,说夸张的时装是老女人之宠,人家精明干练的时髦女郎都别着"OBAMA“的胸章。不禁想这四个女人会选Hilary还是会选Obama.不用说,Miranda肯定选Hilary, Samantha一定选Obama: " He is a hottie! " 剩下两个我还真猜不出了。 
我猜其他两个人根本不care,多半会说,Hillary who? Mr Big((or maybe John)/Harry/ xxxxxxxx.
现在是到了可以剧透的时候了吗?我倒一直挺喜欢大先生,此次看电影更觉得伊跑得有理有据。这婚礼到后来操办到他自己都不知道的规模和程度,完全被牵着鼻子走,是我我也要跑。再退一万步说,carrie倘若不情绪激动的用玫瑰打他一头一脸,他根本就是折回头来结婚的啊,何苦再拖个一年半载。 :confused007:

Posted: 2008-06-11 3:31
by Elysees
putaopi wrote:看到有的影评嘲笑SATC过时,说夸张的时装是老女人之宠,人家精明干练的时髦女郎都别着"OBAMA“的胸章。不禁想这四个女人会选Hilary还是会选Obama.不用说,Miranda肯定选Hilary, Samantha一定选Obama: " He is a hottie! " 剩下两个我还真猜不出了。 
我猜其他两个人根本不care,多半会说,Hillary who? Mr Big((or maybe John)/Harry/ xxxxxxxx.
现在是到了可以剧透的时候了吗?我倒一直挺喜欢大先生,此次看电影更觉得伊跑得有理有据。这婚礼到后来操办到他自己都不知道的规模和程度,完全被牵着鼻子走,是我我也要跑。再退一万步说,carrie倘若不情绪激动的用玫瑰打他一头一脸,他根本就是折回头来结婚的啊,何苦再拖个一年半载。 :confused007:

Posted: 2008-06-11 6:23
by 阿冬
从大先生歪回来:这《华丽安琪儿》今年上海电影节有放,要不要去看呢…… :confused007: 有人看过么?

Ozon当年的《泳池谋杀案》(Swimming Pool)是我的心头好呢 :party003: