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真正WSN电影

Posted: 2009-02-26 15:22
by Knowing
昨儿晚上去看了个电影<两个爱人>(<Two Lovers>),看完了感觉就是:天天见师太抄人家,终于也有人抄师太了. 要说直接是抄那本师太的小说,我一时想不起来。但是里面每一个人物细节都浸淫着师太的签名。
阵容还挺豪华的,男主角是演WALK THE LINE 的Joaquin Phoenix。女主角是Gwyneth Paltrow。男主的妈是Isabella Rossellini。(看到Gwyneth Paltrow 和Isabella Rossellini我都没什么心理准备,想这电影还在阳光艺术影院放?难道不应该是一线么?)
男主角爹妈开个小洗衣店(当当,耳熟吧?),是个犹太妈妈的男孩,老大年纪还住家里住,也没正经工作,帮爹妈看店送洗好的衣服,有点跛脚,被未婚妻甩了,经常寻死割手腕,内心特敏感特艺术,爱拍照片。
第一女主角是邻居,一粒苍白优雅爱听歌剧的WASP小公主,出身优越但是家境败落了,现在跟了粒有钱已婚的秃头中年男,但是小公主不但外貌美丽柔弱惹人怜爱,内心也是纯洁的,当小三也是为了真爱,经常要把男主角拎到楼顶上,在寒风中倾诉她的痛苦挣扎,问男主角"你说他会不会离婚跟我在一起?"男主角暗恋她就很痛苦啊,说你别老找我说这些事。小公主就柔弱的说:可是我需要朋友,你是我的好朋友啊。嗯,人家需要你嘛。
第二女主角的爹也是开洗衣店的,当然洗衣店比较多,打算把男主角老爹的小店收罗进来。第二女主角挺正常一女的,要人有人要貌有貌,要工作有正经工作,要家底有家底,不只怎地就特别心疼创伤男,明明看见他心不在焉还视而不见的跟他继续谈恋爱。
男主角就两边穿梭,一会被小公主拎过去当好朋友,碰了钉子又回来跟家里赞成的女朋友谈恋爱。
小公主流了个产觉悟过来,跑去跟秃头中年男掰了。回来又痛苦的把男主角抓到屋顶上在寒风中心理治疗。男主角趁机冲上去说:我爱你。小公主天真的说:不能吧?男主角说:就是的。我被前未婚妻抛弃后痛苦的啊,寻死尼活一年多,都没想过能再爱人,但是我爱你,我爱你,我爱你。。。小公主就很感动,表情很迷乱,男主角就冲上去,(此处省略一部分低俗内容)。完事后,小公主立马面带春色的说,这里我住不起了,我要搬到加洲去。男主角说,我跟你走!机票钱我出!
然后男主角就收拾东西,上expedia 买了两张去SF的机票,又掏出一大卷皱巴巴的二十块,到珠宝店买了个芝麻大的钻戒,揣在兜里,还假装没事人的跑到女朋友的爹办公室里商讨了双方洗衣店合并的事儿,回家帮妈准备晚上派对。到了约好的八点,从派对里溜出来要跑,被他妈逮了一正着。他妈含泪说:只要你幸福。。走吧。他就毫无心肝的走了。然后等半天,小公主下来,说:不好意思,秃头男来了,答应跟老婆离婚,加州我不去了,机票钱回头给你。

男主角痛苦啊,跑到海边,流着眼泪,奋力把钻戒连盒一扔,哗哗的往海里走。可能是嫌水凉,刚湿了鞋又改主意转身回来了,摸索着在沙滩上把盒子捡回来拍了拍沙,兜里一揣,回家看到女朋友,掏出来求婚了,还流了眼泪。女朋友高兴的问你怎么了?他抽泣的说:我太幸福了。


:gros_yeux_tristes: :gros_yeux_tristes:

Posted: 2009-02-26 15:24
by tiffany
蝉!蝉!一开头就是这个调调!

Posted: 2009-02-26 15:30
by Jun
David Edelstein called the director James Gray "anguished drama queen."

What is up with Phoenix nowadays?

Posted: 2009-02-26 15:55
by Knowing
对,第一女主角象蝉。男主角象那什么小说来着,就是跟俩姐妹里懂事大方的一个结了婚却老悬摸特不羁的另一个。

Posted: 2009-02-26 16:09
by qinger
不觉得像师太,倒像蒂凡尼的早餐。

Posted: 2009-02-26 16:09
by 笑嘻嘻
好像叫做《寂寞鸽子》啥的。可见师太写的反塔希是有全球意识的,不枉她有段时间尽在小说里惦记海外市场。

Posted: 2009-02-26 17:17
by 火星狗
上expedia 买了两张去SF的机票
不知道为什么我觉得这个细节好搞笑啊。

Posted: 2009-02-26 17:53
by putaopi
电影里的纽约人,一下决心不正经过日子了,就要跑到加洲来。难道个个潜意识里都受了<On the Road> 的影响吗?

Posted: 2009-02-26 17:56
by 笑嘻嘻
也许是因为在电影人的心里美国除了东西两岸都不是人住的地儿。。。

Posted: 2009-02-26 18:36
by simonsun
我正在斗争要不要去看呢……给你这么一说,好像我的IWSN又跑出来了。 :shock:

Posted: 2009-02-26 18:44
by putaopi
Phoenix 演小男生?桂尼斯演小公主? 

我就不去看了。要是一对二十岁的漂亮面孔演男女主角,还可以瞧瞧。

Posted: 2009-02-26 21:10
by 日朗
Parenthood里Phoenix多精灵里边还有基诺利维斯,后还看过他和丽芙泰勒演的一片子,兄弟俩和一个被女孩爸爸暗恋的妈,那片子也很wsn

Posted: 2009-02-26 21:11
by Elysees
寂寞鸽子很明显是抄的纯真年代啊。
我觉得不太像蝉,虽然那个公主女主有那么点儿这个意思,男猪可比这个靠谱多了。
仿佛是有点儿像,厄,连环?那个司机的儿子爱上主人家小公主的是这个名儿吗? :roll: :roll:

Posted: 2009-02-26 22:31
by tiffany
这个男主也太猥琐了!我居然很理解他捡回芝麻大戒指求婚,MIWSN忍不住赞叹他放下包袱,回头是岸。。。。

Posted: 2009-02-26 22:50
by Jun
为什么我觉得这人不是WSN?就是比较的别扭。注意他的犹太家庭背景,其实他跟这么一对女人的故事就是脑子里处理跟他妈咪的关系的混乱挣扎么。

Posted: 2009-02-26 22:54
by tiffany
哇塞,jun这句话一说,立刻深刻的展示了iwsn

Posted: 2009-02-26 23:00
by Jun
此片应该取名为“(现代?)犹太男人的宿命”。第二女主就是他妈咪的翻版,什么都好,十全十美,娶她天经地义,继续做他的小男孩,一切主动权掌握在她手中。但是他不甘心,想逃跑(谁叫他不是意大利男人呢?)。只不过,外面的世界从他眼中看来就是被家长教育的那么可怕,充满了这种可怕的第一女主角。她是他脑子里的恐惧和向往的化身。

(自拍下肩膀,电影儿连看都没看就编出这么一大套理论来。)

Posted: 2009-02-26 23:08
by tiffany
jun快别解释了,越解释越ws

Posted: 2009-02-26 23:08
by Jun
你别听我瞎白话。 :mrgreen:

Posted: 2009-02-26 23:19
by qinger
前半段像蒂梵尼早餐,看到后半段觉得像寂寞鸽子。一直纳闷这样的男主和女主真在一起后以何为生呢。

Posted: 2009-02-27 9:17
by Knowing
Jun wrote:此片应该取名为“(现代?)犹太男人的宿命”。第二女主就是他妈咪的翻版,什么都好,十全十美,娶她天经地义,继续做他的小男孩,一切主动权掌握在她手中。但是他不甘心,想逃跑(谁叫他不是意大利男人呢?)。只不过,外面的世界从他眼中看来就是被家长教育的那么可怕,充满了这种可怕的第一女主角。她是他脑子里的恐惧和向往的化身。

(自拍下肩膀,电影儿连看都没看就编出这么一大套理论来。)
你真是编剧的搜美特~!没错儿。第二女主角还对男主角说:让我来照顾你。

Posted: 2009-02-27 10:55
by tiffany
wah, Roger Ebert is a TRUE wsn!!!!! and he dislike the Paltrow character with passion!
Two Lovers
Sometimes your family is right
about marrying that nice girl

Release Date: 2009

Ebert Rating: ***½

/ / / Feb 25, 2009

by Roger Ebert

I believe Sandra senses something is damaged about Leonard. "Two Lovers" never puts a word to it, although we know he's had treatment and is on medication. It's not a big showy mental problem; lots of people go through life like this, and people simply say, "Well, you know Leonard." But Sandra does know him, and that's why she tells him she not only loves him, but wants to help him.

Leonard (Joaquin Phoenix) is focused on his inner demons. His fiancee left him -- dumped him --and he has moved back to his childhood room, still with the "2001" poster on the wall. He makes customer deliveries for his dad's dry cleaning business. Sandra (Vinessa Shaw) is the daughter of another of another dry cleaner, in the same Brighton Beach neighborhood of Brooklyn. Her father plans to buy his father's business, and both families think it would be ideal if Sandra and Leonard married.

But Leonard meets Michelle (Gwyneth Paltrow) and is struck by the lightning bolt. She's blond, exciting, and in his eyes, sophisticated and glamorous. She seems to like him, too. So a triangle exists that might seem to be the makings of a traditional rom-com from years ago. James Gray's "Two Lovers" is anything but traditional, romantic or a comedy. It is a film of unusual perception, played at perfect pitch by Phoenix, Shaw, Paltrow and the other actors. It is calm and mature. It understands these characters. It doesn't juggle them for melodrama, but looks inside.

Michelle is the kind of person many of us become fascinated with at some unwise point in our lives. She has enormous charm, a winning smile, natural style. But she is haunted. Leonard is blindsided to discover she has a married lover, and that she uses drugs. He is able, like so many men, to overlook these flaws, to misunderstand neediness for affection, to delude himself that she shares his feelings. Sandra, on the other hand, is pretty, and nice, but their families have known each other for years and Michelle seems to offer an entry into a new world across the bridge in Manhattan.

The particular thing about "Two Lovers," written by Gray and Richard Menello, is that it utterly ignores all the usual cliches about parents in general and Jewish mothers in particular. Both Leonard and Sandra come from loving families, and both of them love their parents. Although Leonard sometimes seems to contain muted, conflicting elements of Travis Bickle and Rupert Pupkin, he tries to get along with people, to be polite, to be sensitive. That he is the victim of his own obsessions is bad luck. It's painful watching him try to lead a secret life with Michelle outside his home, especially when her emergency demands come at the worst possible times.

Leonard's parents are Ruth and Reuben Kraditor (Isabella Rossellini and Moni Monoshov), long-married, staunchly bourgeois, reasonable. Ruth of course wants Leonard to find stability in marriage with a nice Jewish girl like Sandra, but her love for him outweighs her demands on him -- rare in the movies. Reuben is more narrow in his imagination for his son, but not a caricature. And Sandra's father (Bob Ari) wants to buy the Kraditor business and likes the idea of a marriage but would never think of his daughter as part of a business deal. Everyone in the film wants the best for their children.

So the drama, and it becomes intense, involves whether Leonard's demons will allow him to be happy. Michelle represents so many problems she should almost dress by wrapping herself in that yellow tape from crime scene investigations. She has a gift for attracting enablers. We meet her married lover (Elias Koteas), who turns out not to be an old lech, even if he is an adulterer. He's essentially another victim, and a short, tense scene he has with Leonard provides private insights.

Here is a movie involving kinds of people we know, or perhaps have been. It's the third film in which James Gray has directed Joaquin Phoenix (after "The Yards" and "We Own the Night") and shows them working together to create a character whose manner is troubled but can be identified with. The whole movie is so well-cast and performed that we watch it unfolding without any particular awareness of "acting." Even the ending, which might seem obligatory in a lesser film, is earned and deserved in this one.