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Seattle P-I to publish last edition Tuesday
Posted: 2009-03-17 14:12
by gigi
http://www.seattlepi.com/business/40379 ... ure17.html
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Posted: 2009-03-17 15:18
by Knowing
that's so sad....
Posted: 2009-03-17 22:53
by putaopi
跟San Francisco Choronicle都是属于Hearst报业的, SF Choronicle也快撑不下去了。西雅图的报纸如何我不知道, Choronicle实在是水平差,倒了也只能算自己学艺不精。
Posted: 2009-03-17 23:13
by 豪情
还有SEATTLE TIMES呢, 那个是家族企业. 小布取消遗产税时候还出来献身说法.
不过传统上大家觉得PI更有一些有深度的文章. 但是销售量好几年前就不行了.
地方报纸都不好过吧.
Posted: 2009-03-18 7:48
by Knowing
对,不过纽约时报这样的大报也不好过,周刊月刊更差。
Posted: 2009-03-18 9:06
by putaopi
地方报纸倒了,本地人民是会难过一阵子的。最难过的是老书店倒闭的消息,今天旧金山市中心的书店Stacy's关门了,以前路过总拐进去坐会儿。想想北滩区的city lights,午饭时间曾在那里消磨过很多时光;日落区的绿苹果-就是迈克经常提到的,不知道这些书店是不是能撑下去。
Posted: 2009-03-18 11:21
by 豪情
还好吧. 我最后一次看PI都不知道是多少年前的事情了. 有SEATTLE TIMES就够了. 也没什么大新闻, 登几张应景的照片. 樱花开了, 叶子红了, 天上有彩虹, 夏天第一次到海里冲浪, 在湖里游泳. 刮风树倒了. 救只陷在下水道的猫都能占一整页. 不过SF CHRONICLE 和MERCURY NEWS办的还不如SEATTLE TIMES呢. 看SFC都找不到啥地方新闻. MN整天就是凶杀抢劫案或者滞后的公司动态新闻.
传统的报纸被其他媒体冲击的比较厉害.
Posted: 2009-03-18 11:57
by gigi
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Posted: 2009-03-18 11:59
by qinger
某人在家上班的时候我们订MERCURY NEWS来着, 那时候我们没装cable不看电视他每份报纸都细细读过,觉得还挺有趣味--大概无论什么东西细细品总有点好处的。
Posted: 2009-03-18 12:07
by 豪情
嗯. 我还记得在PAGLIAZZI一边看报一边等现烤的PIZZA. 还有在渡轮飞机上上看. 消磨时间的时候多点耐心.
也是归属感的问题吧. 我现在还看SEATTLE TIMES.
Posted: 2009-03-18 12:20
by putaopi
最近我心里盘算着,得列个单子,把自己喜欢的小门小店都再去一趟:谁知道他们能撑多久,说不定哪天都倒了。
Posted: 2009-03-18 12:21
by 豪情
我觉得ZEFRAN和IBERIA都属于马上要倒的.
Posted: 2009-03-18 12:24
by 笑嘻嘻
关于报纸我没啥悲剧意识。因为我不是一直都觉得电子化是个大趋势嘛。互联网整个提供了一种新的媒体方式,谁都可以写,谁写的都可以让别人看到,文字新闻能做到广播电视媒体一样有实时性,那从前的平面媒体的组织编辑工作就应当变成在网上的大量信息里搜索选择有关信息。如果没有金融危机也总会有这么一天的。
Posted: 2009-03-18 12:27
by qinger
可我觉得如果你不住在那个地方,看那个地方的报纸就没多大意思--当然你有房子在西雅图也许感觉不同。
我回杭度假期间很爱看都市快报,但是带了两份回来给某人看他就没什么感觉--那些好吃的好玩的他又够不着。
Posted: 2009-03-18 12:28
by putaopi
小书店呢?独立书店都倒了我心疼死了...虽然我也只在amazon买书。
纸媒体都算是Dead Tree Business了。
Posted: 2009-03-18 14:56
by 笑嘻嘻
会有网上独立小书店出现的。我们这儿不就像网上club 一样,就跟原先早年间街角酒馆,周围街坊下了班就坐在那儿呆着一个意思。
Posted: 2009-03-18 15:49
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Posted: 2009-03-18 15:54
by qinger
你为什么在这里灌水不去天涯?
Posted: 2009-03-18 15:56
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Posted: 2009-03-18 16:26
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Posted: 2009-03-20 16:08
by 笑嘻嘻
纽约时报的 David Carr 的专栏文章:
United, Newspapers May Stand
Back when I was a young media reporter fueled by indignation and suspicion, I often pictured the dark overlords of the newspaper industry gathering at a secret location to collude over cigars and Cognac, deciding how to set prices and the news agenda at the same time.
It probably never happened, but now that I fear for the future of the world that they made, I’m hoping that meeting takes place. I’ll even buy the cigars.
Even casual followers of the newspaper industry could rattle off the doomsday tick-tock: a digitally enabled free fall in ads and audience now has burly guys circling major daily newspapers with plywood and nail guns. The Rocky Mountain News is gone, The San Francisco Chronicle is on the bubble, and dozens of others are limping along on the endangered list.
Magazine and newspaper editors have canceled their annual conferences (good idea: let’s not talk to one another). But perhaps someone can blow a secret whistle and the publishers and editors could all meet at an undisclosed location.
My fantasy meeting goes something like this: a rump caucus could form where the newspaper industry would decide to hold hands and jump off the following cliffs together on the following actions.
¶No more free content. The Web has become the primary delivery mechanism for quality newsrooms across the country, and consumers will have to participate in financing the newsgathering process if it is to continue. Setting the price point at free ― the newspaper analyst Alan D. Mutter called it the “original sin” ― has brought the industry millions of eyeballs and a return that doesn’t cover the coffee budget of some newsrooms.
The big threat would be that newspapers could lose the readers they have, lots of them. The mitigating factor is that a lot of those readers aren’t paying anyway. And keep in mind that people are already paying for quality content all over the Web: The Wall Street Journal, Consumer Reports, The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette. Tiered Web access ― from a bare-bones free product to a rich, customized subscription ― could be among the solutions.
¶No more free ride to aggregators. Google announced that it would begin selling ads against Google News, with almost no financial accommodation to the organizations that generate that news. The book industry ― of all Luddites ― has extracted cash from Google, as did the wire services. Google, The Huffington Post and Newser have built their audiences and brands on other people’s labors.
Most aggregators are not promoting newspaper content; they are repurposing it to their own ends. Newspapers’ audiences are harvested and sold divorced from the content that attracted them in the first place. The risk would be making Google, the kingmaker on the Web, angry.
¶No more commoditized ads. Ad markets and remnant sales have been a lose-lose proposition, ginning up more and more ads for less and less revenue, turning a grim dollars-into-dimes model into a hopeless dimes-into-pennies proposition. Newspapers once thrived by selling scarce ad positions. The downside is turning down ads, and who can afford that right now?
¶Throw out the Newspaper Preservation Act. Regulatory reform will allow the industry to consolidate to an economically feasible model and preserve newsgathering. Does Seattle need two newspapers? Did Denver? Sure, it’s preferable for all kinds of reasons. But one is better than none.
Of course, my fantasy meeting will never come true. First, such a meeting would very likely be considered illegal, violating either the spirit or the letter of antitrust provisions, but what’s a little lawlessness when a lot of other major industries are expecting the government to bail them out? Second, at the best of times, newspaper publishers are not a risk-taking bunch, and these aren’t the best of times. Third, newspapers could not investigate collusion in other industries without feeling just a little queasy.
It’s worth remembering that the regulatory apparatus governing the industry was developed back when newspapers were the dominant local ad medium, with very little competition. In recent years, the Newspaper Preservation Act has done precisely the opposite of its framers’ intention, allowing joint operating agreements that let weak papers linger and pull down the alpha papers in Detroit, Seattle, Denver and Tucson.
The Justice Department still holds that combining local dailies is anticompetitive, but if that antiquated logic continues to prevail, there won’t be much left to regulate.
John Chachas of Lazard, a financial advisory company, and Tim Rutten of The Los Angeles Times have both called for an exemption to antitrust regulations as a matter of survival. After all, they point out, there is plenty of new competition for ads and minds.
But consolidation can’t proceed with the current regulatory strictures. The Twin Cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul have two newspapers ― The Star Tribune and The Pioneer Press ― but both are seriously endangered. History has demonstrated that another joint operating agreement is probably not the answer.
Hearst Newspapers, whose San Francisco Chronicle shared expenses and revenue with The Examiner in a joint operating arrangement, had invested $1 billion in San Francisco and is losing $1 million a week. The company has said that it will sell (fat chance) or close The Chronicle unless half of an already decimated newsroom is laid off. It is not bluffing. As soon as next week, another paper the company owns, The Seattle Post-Intelligencer, will reportedly become a Web-only publication with a skeleton staff.
“It is time that newspapers are allowed to collude in the public interest,” said Mr. Mutter, who blogs at Reflections of a Newsosaur. “In order to keep as many feet in the street as possible regardless of how they are branded and preserve editorial voices, the new competitive environment has to be considered. The Chronicle competes against The Mercury News, but it also competes against Craigslist, Zillow and Auto Trader.”
Philip Meyer, who wrote “The Vanishing Newspaper,” concurs: “Technology has destroyed the monopolies that these laws were designed to regulate.”
Of course, advocates of the free, independent press are rightfully chary about wholesale deregulation, but John Morton, the eminent newspaper analyst, said that individual newspaper companies can’t solve this problem by working alone.
“Only newspapers are economically organized to cover a broad swath of events,” he said. “A lot of aggregators have been taking advantage of that, and pretty soon, there will be nothing to aggregate. But that can’t really be discussed amongnewspaper owners because of antitrust problems.”
What is under attack is the fundamental machinery of the Fourth Estate, not just the local newspapers that some love to hate and others, including many young consumers, are indifferent to.
Whatever the solution, the capacity to produce accountability reporting, investigative journalism and robust coverage of public officials is not sustainable under current revenue models. And that is not a business problem; it’s a civic one.
Posted: 2009-03-20 17:28
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