各得其所:读<<The Razor's Edge>>

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各得其所:读<<The Razor's Edge>>

Post by helenClaire » 2004-07-26 7:52

交JUN的作业了。 :oops: 先问问JUN,这本书你读过几遍?我囫囵吞枣翻了一遍,列出些粗糙的感想。如果能引得你也写读后感的话,我就又达到目地了。 :wink:
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和<<月亮和六便士>>一样,这本书的开头读得很涩,放在一边冷处理过。后面就读得比较顺利。故事比月亮要更有趣丰满,虽然是和自己生活无关的人物情节背景,我却很代入,看到后来感慨万千,直到书的末尾毛姆这样写:
For all the persons with whom I have been concerned got what they wanted: Elliot social eminence; Isabel an assured position backed by a substantial fortune in an active and cultured community; Gray a steady and lucrative job, with an office to go to from nine till six every day; Suzanne Rouvier security; Sophie death; and Larry happiness.
虽是作者的花招说法,我倒心平气和了:这是一个人生追求决定命运的故事,故事里的人物都各得其所。

Elliot
我个人认为这是小说里塑造最成功的两个人物之一,另一个是Isabel。
Elliot是一位art dealer.他常年生活在欧州,在有钱有势的上流社会周旋。他喜欢社交和高雅的品味,不遗余力地用这个标准塑造自己。于是他的祖先原来是参与过写<<独立宣言>>的,乡下的房子被称做祖传的大宅子。经年累月,他越来越成功,越来越比贵族还象贵族,到他从凡第刚捐了个贵族头衔,算是登峰造极。这时候Elliot开始有资格做遗老,感叹世风日下了。我想,每个社会,每个文化,每个年代,都能找到Elliot的原型人物。他的一切让我会心一笑。
而他的结尾让我由衷地敬佩。
Elliot在死亡的病榻上念念不忘他没有接到一位公主的晚会邀请,毛姆帮他弄到邀请卡后,他无法成行,回复公主:“Mr. Elliot Templeton regrets that he cannot accept Princess Novemali's kind invitation owing to a previous engagement with his Blessed Lord."终于笑到了最后。
对于他即将前往的天堂,他认为那里分三六九等,并满怀信心地说,他一向在欧州的上流社会存在,天堂里他一样会在上流社会吃得开:”Believe me, my dear fellow, there'll be none of this damned equality in heaven."
Elliot对他的人生信条坚持到了最后一刻,信奉到骨子里,由不得我要敬这老爷子是条好汉。
Elliot关于天堂的等级社会理解来自圣经的一句话:“The House of my Father hath many mansions."曾经有一位快退休的基督教牧师告诉我同样的话,同样的等级制度描述。我因此对这位牧师有敬意,因为他懂人性。天堂的存在是为了满足人的精神归宿,即然俗世里有我们不屑为伍的人,天堂里一定也有我们不屑为伍的灵魂。当然要分屋而居,岂可同流合污! :-D


毛姆和Isabel
Isabel是故事里另一个鲜活的人物。她和Larry青梅竹马相爱订婚,一出场是个健康红润活泼外向的十九岁女孩子,而且她说起Larry:
I've known him all my life, and when he came back (from war) he looked lovely in his uniform, with all those pretty ribbons on his tunic, so I just sat on his doorstep, so to speak, till he consented to marry me just to have a little peace and quiet. The competition was awful.
这当然是一句玩笑话,但她毫不掩示,彻头彻尾爱一个人的样子,让我一下子就喜欢上这个人物。
但Isabel也是一个头脑现实性格刚强的人。Larry服役归来,不打算工作,只想靠祖上留下的一年三千块生活费度过一生。Isabel劝了,等了,没有结果。两人理智解除婚约。她痛苦,她反复告诉毛姆Larry是她唯一爱过的人;她自我怀疑:一定是爱得不够,不然就跟Larry结婚了;她承认,她和Larry分手是出于对两人未来生活的恐惧。但,她清楚自己想要什么,而和Larry在一起就意味着放弃她的人生理想。她从来没有后悔过,如果一切可以重来,她说:
But of course if I'd known then what I know now I'd have gone away and lived with him for three months, and then I'd have got him out of my system for good and all.
所以别看Isabel小时候象个反叛少女,长大了和她母亲一个模子的人情练达。毛姆把她写得真实丰满有层次感。书中很多段落是她和毛姆的交谈,他们的话题往往是Larry。故事越读下去,我越觉得毛姆恨她,因为两人都爱Larry,有点情敌式的敌意和互相排斥。
毛姆恨Isabel表现在好几处。毛姆描写她青春少女之美时,会添一句“如果她不小心,将来会胖得不得了。”Isabel后来没有发胖,反倒长成了体形完美的妇人,他还耿耿于怀地问怎么做到的。Isabel回答他“钢铁的意志和上帝的恩慈。”试想,一个一般的异性朋友会仔细到刻薄的程度那样当面评论一位女士的手,腿,脸么?毛姆甚至在他的言语中不屑掩示他的恶意。
还有,毛姆被Isabel看Larry的渴望目光给恶心着了;毛姆当面告诉Isabel她和Larry从来没有真正相爱过,因为激情是不计得失不顾一切的;当然还有最后,毛姆把Sophie之死归咎于Isabel对前者的酒精试练。--我看到这里,不得不说,毛姆恨这个女人是恨到骨子里了。

毛姆和Larry
如果说毛姆被Isabel看Larry的渴望目光给恶心着了,那么我算是被毛姆写Larry的爱人眼光给恶心着了。
Larry每一次出场,毛姆便歌颂一次他的深邃的眼窝,专住的目光,眼睛里一点点嘲弄的闪烁,诚恳动人的微笑,光滑无皱纹的脸,和他的肢体。到了书的后面,毛姆自己也承认“至少提了二十遍了”,我想,才二十遍吗?不是两百遍?
Larry这个人物,虽是主角,但刻画出来是虚的时候多。除了第三人称写精神追求有其内在的困难以外,一部份也归咎于毛姆不厌其烦的外貌描写。而且我觉得在这方面,毛姆他有点儿控制不住自己,就象他控制不住要恨Isabel一样。
毛姆把Larry写得自始至终地平静,温和,宽厚,甜美,让我有不信服的地方。我猜他因为不能做到旁观中立,所以下笔有他一厢情愿的美化之处。就象他对STRICKLAND要歌颂,所以出现了人格行为矛盾之处一样。
一个二十岁的年轻人,在战争中目睹了死亡,面对了死亡。回到和平社会里无法摆脱:“生命有何意义”的基本问题,无法服从社会规范去读大学工作结婚生子养家糊口,他选择了自学的灵魂探索道路。在这个探索过程中,他学习新语言以用原文阅读各样著作,一天花十几个小时读书,持续好几年,我不能想象他就没有强烈地与人交流思想的愿望?找不到答案的挫败愤怒?与人意见不同时的激烈探讨和对峙?他毕竟只有二十出头,有强烈的寻求真理的驱动力,怎么可能一直是平静的,很知道自己下一步要做什么的?
还有,Larry遇到神迷的俄国人,德国神父和印度智者的时候,一定是另一副神情样子吧?可惜这另一面毛姆不让我们看见,难怪这个人物显得单薄和难以共鸣了。

Sophie和Larry
他们有类似的死亡创伤,不同的应对结局。knowing说的men externalize, women internalize,这个故事却正好相反。
Sophie和Larry在本性上有共同之处,小时候都充满理想和诗意,有一个内心世界。后来Sophie的幸福生活毁于一场车祸,失去了丈夫和孩子。她一定也问过自己“生命有何意义”,也感到有一个自己无法控制无法抗拒的命运的存在。和Larry寻求真理永恒相反,她选择了自我毁灭的道路,酗酒吸毒滥交,让旺盛的生命力象烟花一样转瞬逝去,而且她成功了。Sophie是做为Larry的精神反面来塑造的,就象Isabel是做为Larry的世俗反面来塑造一样。我们如果看不清Larry这张照片,我们至少有两张他的底片(negative)是可以看清的,Sophie和Isabel。
Larry突然宣布要和Sophie结婚一事,毛姆引用了马太福音并衍生出自己的故事来讲耶稣是怎样“堕落”的,我认为这是全书最精彩的一段。不但击中了人性的最要害处,而且让我开始理解Larry--他毕竟是一个常人,他最后还是一个常人。
马太福音里有一段耶稣被撒旦引到荒野里,撒旦引诱他把石头变成面包免自己挨饿,撒旦引诱他从高处跳下来证明上帝的大能,撒旦把全世界摆在他面前诱惑他做天下的君王,耶稣都顶住了诱惑。下面是毛姆的“续貂”:
That's the end of the story according to the good simple Matthew. But it wasn't. The devil was sly and he came to Jesus once more and said: If thou wilt accept shame and disgrace, scourging, a crown of thorns and death on the cross, thou shalt save the human race, for greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. Jesus fell. The devil laughed till his sides ached, for he knew the evil men would commit in the name of their redeemer.....
I only wanted to suggest to you that self-confidence is a passion so overwhelming that beside it even lust and hunger are trifiling. It whirls its victim to destruction in the highest affirmation of his personality. The object doesn't matter; it may be worth while or it may be worthless. No wine is so intoxicating, no love so shattering, no vice so compelling. When he sacrifices himself man for a moment is greater than God, for how can God, infinite and omnipotent, sacrifice himself? At best he can only sacrifice his only begotten son.
Larry为了拯救Sophie想和她结婚,正象耶稣为了拯救人类而献身。这个举动把他从一个疏离的地方拉回到我熟悉的世俗社会里来,所以我觉得我理解了他。

Larry和他的宗教
俗人好理解,神叨叨的人不好理解。读故事的时候身在其中不识庐山真面目,读完了又要事后诸葛亮一把:我早该知道Larry是什么人了,他想要什么,他想做什么。多早?比他决定和Sophie结婚要早,早在他拿出一枚硬币医好了Gray的偏头痛。
Larry从小被灌输的新教派基督教不能满足他,反而在印度找到了能说服他的宗教观念。这件事本身没有什么奇怪的,人总以为真理在彼岸。在地球另一头找到绝对和永恒,才不枉他读万卷书行万里路的努力嘛。但这显然只是前奏,我和毛姆一样关心的是另一样:“然后呢?” Larry说:
Live…With calmness, forbearance, compassion, selflessness, and continence
我笑,这不就是禅宗里的“得道前砍柴挑水,得道后砍柴挑水” 吗?
具体怎么生活呢?他的印度智者是过隐居生活,象黑暗中的一盏遥远的明灯,发射光芒,吸引追随者,但并不主动入世。Larry不同,他要回到美国,要make a difference. 毛姆问为什么是美国,暗示那是一个物欲横流的社会。Larry说:
You Europeans know nothing about America. Because we amass large fortunes you think we care for nothing but money. We care nothing for it; the moment we have it we spend it, sometimes well, sometimes ill, but we spend it. Money is nothing to us; it’s merely the symbol of success. We are the greatest idealists in the world; I happen to think that we’ve set our ideal on the wrong objects; I happen to think that the greatest ideal man can set before himself is self-perfection.
这段话我怀疑是毛姆对美国国民性的探索,无端让我想起<<The Quiet American>>了,两位作家在写非本国同胞为主人公的小说时,不约而同闹了点扩大化。
扯远了,保守地把上面这段表白算作Larry本人的宣言吧,始于修身,止于平天下;原来他是个有入世精神,济世理想的有为青年!
一个人因为战争和死亡的创伤,放弃了循规导矩的生活,读书旅行上下求索。当他认为他找到了真理的时候,他决定散尽钱财,回到祖国。先做一名卡车司机,走遍东南西北重新认识美国,然后去红尘万丈的纽约做一名出租车司机。纽约?为了它的图书馆。出租车司机?为了它的工作自由度和随时可以去任何地方的交通工具。他只打算做能维持生存的工作,腾出来的时间“做其它有意义工作” 。
如果这都不是理想主义,我就不知道什么是理想主义了。

后记
我们为什么活着?这个问题没有固定的答案,每个人满足于他/她能接受的解释而已。无数人说过,无数人证明过,生命其实是浪费,生活其实没有任何意义。然而事情不是这么简单,Actually life has so much to offer, 里面几乎有任何人想要的任何东西。这就是为什么,不论走Isabel 和Gray那样追求名利的康庄大道,还是Larry那样寻求真理的刀锋般逼窄的艰难之路,都能得其所愿。这点上讲,他们求仁得仁,殊途同归。
正因为这个各得其所的“欢喜结局”,让我觉得生命其实不是浪费,生活其实有它的意义,只要我知道我想要的是什么。
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Post by Jun » 2004-07-26 9:18

:admir002: :rabbit001:
I'm ecstatic!!!
这本书正经地读过两遍, 其间隔了几乎十年, 恍如半生.
Helen哪, 我怎么可能忍得住不在你后面狂吐口水? :lol:

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Post by helenClaire » 2004-07-26 9:55

我边想边写慢慢来。 :oops: 我喜欢这篇超过月亮,因为故事情节更生动,他们每个人都活得真实,都让我喜欢加感动。

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Post by Jun » 2004-07-26 10:07

那是因为你比我更加人文主义, 更加对芸芸众生怀有悲天悯人的态度, Helen你是有慧根的人.
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Post by Knowing » 2004-07-26 11:36

海轮的读后感看的我心痒难搔。等把手上这本没营养的<The Client> 看完就看。
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Post by Elysees » 2004-07-26 13:20

我耷拉着耳朵在后面跟着看,流着口水,眼睛刷刷的放着对海伦和Jun崇拜的目光。
我自横刀向天笑,笑完我就去睡觉。

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Post by Jun » 2004-07-26 13:29

从整体和技巧来说, 刀锋写得比月亮和六便士好: 仔细, 丰满, 面面俱到, 大概是晚期的极圆熟之作. 但是我心里总是偏爱月亮和六便士多些. 这跟第一印象有些关系. 我第一次读刀锋的时候还很幼稚, 对人情世故一窍不通, 只是在直觉无法与Larry认同, 而对Strickland却是马上就认同的(I wonder what that says about me). 月亮和六便士里的激情是比较极端的, 我对这调调儿还是没有抵抗力, 就吃那套理想主义的逃离现实的玩意儿. 刀锋在世情方面写得好, 在spirituality方面或许别人会喜欢和理解Larry但我不行. 白金说过作者跟Strickland在本质上是一路货色, 但是我觉得毛姆到头来也没完全搞清楚Larry因为他们不是同路人. 我跟毛姆是同路人, 所以也一样不理解Larry, 而我又没爱上他, 更没法爱这本书了...

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Post by helenClaire » 2004-07-26 13:39

我倒觉得LARRY比STRICKLAND容易理解。前者是理性的,能说出个道道来;后者是非理性的,只好说他是着魔了。
当然我很可能把深刻的事情给庸俗化了--这不正是我的长处么? :oops:

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Post by Jun » 2004-07-26 13:48

It's just me, that's all. I'm abnormal.
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Post by 豪情 » 2004-07-26 14:05

其实我觉得ISABEL和MAUGHAM挺惺惺相惜, 因为他们爱同一个人得不到. 怪羡慕ISABEL有这么个GAY BEST FIREND, 可以无所不谈.
谁道闲情抛掷久?每到春来,惆怅还依旧。

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Post by helenClaire » 2004-07-26 14:10

ISABEL和MAUGHAM挺惺惺相惜
毛姆摸得清ISABEL底细,一出招就能戳到要害处。

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Post by 豪情 » 2004-07-26 14:19

女朋友也是一样的, 毛姆至少还不便到处去说.当她要的只是倾诉, 那时候又没有BBS.
谁道闲情抛掷久?每到春来,惆怅还依旧。

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Post by dropby » 2004-07-26 14:56

豪情 wrote:那时候又没有BBS.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
有了BBS我觉得是不是应该大家心理毛病少多了. :-P

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Post by helenClaire » 2004-07-26 15:06

看晚上能不能抗完。 :oops:

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Post by tiffany » 2004-07-26 15:09

dropby wrote:
豪情 wrote:那时候又没有BBS.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
有了BBS我觉得是不是应该大家心理毛病少多了. :-P
才不会呢,啥时候看见大家们对着诉苦能把毛病给诉好的了?group therapy里面的医生重要职责就是指出来大家们都有病 :-D
4吧,jun?
乡音无改鬓毛衰

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Post by 豪情 » 2004-07-26 15:09

Larry突然宣布要和Sophie结婚一事,毛姆引用了马太福音并衍生出自己的故事来讲耶稣是怎样“堕落”的,我认为这是全书最精彩的一段。不但击中了人性的最要害处,而且让我开始理解Larry--他毕竟是一个常人,他最后还是一个常人。
马太福音里有一段耶稣被撒旦引到荒野里,撒旦引诱他把石头变成面包免自己挨饿,撒旦引诱他从高处跳下来证明上帝的大能,撒旦把全世界摆在他面前诱惑他做天下的君王,耶稣都顶住了诱惑。下面的毛姆的“续貂”:
引用:
That's the end of the story according to the good simple Matthew. But it wasn't. The devil was sly and he came to Jesus once more and said: If thou wilt accept shame and disgrace, scourging, a crown of thorns and death on the cross, thou shalt save the human race, for greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. Jesus fell. The devil laughed till his sides ached, for he knew the evil men would commit in the name of their redeemer.....
I only wanted to suggest to you that self-confidence is a passion so overwhelming that beside it even lust and hunger are trifiling. It whirls its victim to destruction in the highest affirmation of his personality. The object doesn't matter; it may be worth while or it may be worthless. No wine is so intoxicating, no love so shattering, no vice so compelling. When he sacrifices himself man for a moment is greater than God, for how can God, infinite and omnipotent, sacrifice himself? At best he can only sacrifice his only begotten son.

Larry为了拯救Sophie想和她结婚,正象耶稣为了拯救人类而献身。这个举动把他从一个疏离的地方拉回到我熟悉的世俗社会里来,所以我觉得我理解了他。
所以我一直觉得海兰不要和汤博结婚十分勇敢.

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Post by 豪情 » 2004-07-26 23:48

写完了? 说的再好不过了.HELEN真正是有慧根, 所以可以懂得LARRY.
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Post by Jun » 2004-07-27 7:35

There is too much to write on this subject. I'll have to sleep on what Helen said. Indeed Helen has made Larry more human and more real to me, although perhaps not more likable or identifiable.
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Post by helenClaire » 2004-07-27 9:14

although perhaps not more likable or identifiable.
Larry is likeable and even loveable. You're not feeling that way because the author didn't want you to, he wanted to keep Larry to himself. :wink: And Maugham wrote about Larry's look in that disgusting way repeatedly just to gross you out. :-P
I like this character enough that I hate to see him suffer, of couse with the life he chose, he would suffer big time.

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Post by Jun » 2004-07-27 9:25

Not for me. I am foundamentally not the same kind of people as Larry and can never love him. He is not my cup of tea. I am not by nature a good person, as I said many times before.
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Post by helenClaire » 2004-07-27 10:34

I am foundamentally not the same kind of people as Larry and can never love him.
I totally agree. Larry is too pure, one can love him like one can love a piece of art, and in that sense he is beautiful.
In real life, I don't think he's anybody's cup of tea, who wants to be reminded on a daily basis that he/she is deeply and hopelessly flawed as a person? I don't think you can share your dark thoughts with him, well, I won't.
Remember Larry said the only person he really wanted to marry was Sophie, another idealist? So there you go. :wink:

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Post by dropby » 2004-07-27 12:11

我对理想主义者倒是向来很佩服敬仰的, 看来这本书我真该看看去. :-P
在现实生活中, 其实他们可以满可爱的.

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Post by Jun » 2004-07-27 14:02

要说的太多了, 我就一点一点地啃这块骨头吧. 先来一点.
这段话我怀疑是毛姆对美国国民性的探索,无端让我想起<<The Quiet American>>了,两位作家在写非本国同胞为主人公的小说时,不约而同闹了点扩大化。
毛姆在四一年前后就逃离法国到美国去了. 写刀锋时正是对美国社会和文化了解许久之后的一个总结. 他过去在一部短篇小说"The Fall of Edward Banard"里就表达过对美国的拜金主义和工作至上的态度, 可以和刀锋对照着看, 里面对女主角更加不客气. (插一句: 因为我先读短篇的, 所以先入为主, 没立刻想到他写Isabel语气刻薄是因为嫉妒.) 在刀锋里面对美国精神的描写就比较复杂和多角度了--除了Larry, 其他每个人都同时也代表了美国精神的不同方面, 从Elliot的极度势利崇拜贵族, 到Isabel的刻骨的实际和对钱的重视, 到Gray代表的实业家典型, 甚至Sophie年轻时对工潮的同情, 都是非常美国的.

我不敢说自己对美国文化和社会有什么深入的了解, 但是我个人以为Graham Greene和毛姆对美国主流本质的归纳是非常一针见血的. 既然是归纳一大群人, 当然不可能放之四海皆准, 我们也随时可以举出例子反驳他们的典型. 但是我个人的意见是, TNND, 现在的美国社会没比上个世纪进化一分一毫.
Money is nothing to us; it’s merely the symbol of success.
写这一句话的时候, 毛姆恐怕是在肚子里笑得打滚儿吧.

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Post by helenClaire » 2004-07-27 14:10

引用:
Money is nothing to us; it’s merely the symbol of success.


写这一句话的时候, 毛姆恐怕是在肚子里笑得打滚儿吧.
那简直是一定的。不过我相信LARRY这么说的时候的真诚,理想主义青年嘛。

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Post by Jun » 2004-07-27 14:41

不过我相信LARRY这么说的时候的真诚,理想主义青年嘛。

Of course he was sincere. So was Gray and Isabel. So was Pyle in "The Quiet American." The problem with the Americans is just that -- they are so damned sincere and earnest. I always believe that a little cynicism and skepticism would do them a lot of good.

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Post by helenClaire » 2004-07-27 16:37

I always believe that a little cynicism and skepticism would do them a lot of good.
jun, did you realize that by saying this, you are an idealist yourself? You believe cynicism and skepticism would do people good, just like Larry believed self-perfection will do them good. :wink: 8) We probaly all have a little bit of Larry Darrell in our hearts, that's why I can't be too hard on him.

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Post by Jun » 2004-07-28 5:53

Of course I am basically a hopeless idealist and romantic. Of course I am utterly damned with this baggage and thus can never be a normal person. George Harlin said, a cynic is a disillusioned idealist. How true.
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Post by helenClaire » 2004-07-28 9:00

a cynic is a disillusioned idealist
再次建议JUN去读Henry Miller.不喜欢LARRY的人可能会很喜欢他。

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