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Nerdy stuff: Face transplant

Posted: 2009-07-22 9:49
by Jun
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http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/issue/current

In the current issue of The Lancet: Near total face transplant.

Posted: 2009-07-22 10:00
by tiffany
sheeth, that picture IS creepy!

Posted: 2009-07-22 10:10
by Knowing
wait until you see the pre-transplant pix.
I saw it in the news a few weeks ago. :shock:

Posted: 2009-07-22 10:49
by Jun
Gee, xiao K I wish you didn't mention the "before" face. I went to google it and ended up seeing a whole bucketful of photos of many disfigured faces that will give me the nightmares. According to a written report, this patient had the middle of her face blown away with a shotgun by her husband. I don't know how she survived the shot in the first place.

Posted: 2009-07-22 11:00
by tiffany
sheeth, you gals should put a warning here: NOT for the faint hearted

Posted: 2009-07-22 12:27
by 豪情
费那么大的劲移植为什么不顺便切两刀把多余的切掉. 外行无知地问.

我看过一个节目切胃减肥的, 减完后身上一叠一叠的皮, 也非常可怕. 严重超重切胃算医学需要, 保险包, 但切掉皮属于美容不包.

Posted: 2009-07-22 12:31
by qinger
我只看了眼图片没看文字,还以为这是手术前的呢?
我不要看手术前的了。
同小情的问题,都费那么大劲了,干嘛不顺便再造张美女脸?

Posted: 2009-07-22 12:50
by Jun
咳,这不是做自己的脸,而是别人的脸,难度很高的。具体情况我不知道哈,总得把本人的皮下肌肉(控制表情)大概地跟别人的脸皮接上吧?否则跟戴面具一样。还有神经也得大概地接上咧。脸上的肌肉和细胞都是复杂得要死的细活儿,而且,活皮贴上活脸,得分秒必争,时间长了坏死一批细胞,就前功尽弃。真实手术不是拍 Nip and Tuck 哦。

对了,病人原本的伤很严重的,估计皮下的"手脚架"面部骨骼什么的都没了,所以有些结构恐怕还得一起移植过来参与修补工作。

肌肉,神经,还有特别是血管,都得一条条接起来,真是功夫活儿。

估计如果这张移植脸长好了,血液流通和神经搭线稳定了,没有器官排斥了,以后还可以慢慢小修小补。

Posted: 2009-07-22 12:55
by qinger
小情真是超级有经济观念啊。

Posted: 2009-07-22 13:00
by Knowing
小豪和青儿我刚看见也是这个感想,但是看到移植前的照片就明白了。

Posted: 2009-07-22 13:03
by tiffany
这个比恐怖片儿还恐怖,因为它是真的

Posted: 2009-07-22 13:06
by silkworm
我纯粹是外行,瞎猜几句。我猜整个脸移植的时候,成活是第一目标,美化是后续任务。既然移植,那么倒是多点皮肉有好处,等整体成活了,哪里不合适,再往下裁掉容易,万一太少了太绷紧了,往里添可不容易---看过纪录片讲分离头定部相连的连体儿,为了让两个孩子术后都有足够的头皮,手术前好久就在他们共有的头顶植入一个东西,把皮肤撑开多长些出来。

Posted: 2009-07-22 13:08
by Jun
那么倒是多点皮肉有好处,等整体成活了,哪里不合适,再往下裁掉容易,
Hehe, I was about to say the same thing. It is pretty horrible.

It is, after all, someone else's face. The "fit" cannot be too snug. Ewww...

Posted: 2009-07-22 13:17
by silkworm
我刚看看新闻的细节,这个妻子被丈夫枪击脸部,那丈夫再枪击自己的脸(不知程度),然后丈夫认罪,判刑7年到2012年,妻子说原谅他,等他出来。
我的疑问是:什么破枪,什么破枪法?!

Posted: 2009-07-22 13:33
by 豪情
我好奇地问, 好象移植的排斥是终身的, 所以很多患者在器官移植后也只能存活几年或者再次移植. 面部移植有没有这问题呢?

Posted: 2009-07-22 13:39
by silkworm
移植手术后,终身吃抗排斥(抑制免疫系统)的药。药还不管用,只能重新移植,如果可能的话。
Before undergoing surgery, Culp convinced her doctors that she understood the risks of needing immune-suppressing drugs for the rest of her life. Those risks include life-threatening infections and cancers. And there's always the risk of rejecting the transplant, although those risks diminish over time.

关于皮太松,医生这么说:
"More skin is easy to remove, but if there's not enough it's harder to put back on," Djohan says. "And remember, if we put the face on too tight it will restrict any possible facial expression."
http://www.webmd.com/news/20090506/surg ... transplant

Posted: 2009-07-22 13:55
by simonsun
唉真惨。心理方面的治疗肯定也很难。

Posted: 2009-07-22 15:02
by 豪情
我觉得这个移植的方法维护太困难了. 大概她的脸破坏的太厉害不能用自身和人工材料.
啊这个不是美容手术, 她不做手术就少一只眼睛不能自己吃东西和闻东西. 这类似断肢移植, 但复杂很多.

Posted: 2009-07-22 16:48
by Jun
silkworm wrote: 我的疑问是:什么破枪,什么破枪法?!
同蚕博。真恶心。

Posted: 2009-07-22 16:58
by 豪情
那男人的脸怎样了?