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[电影]Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy

Posted: 2011-08-26 7:34
by CAVA
刚发现2011版的Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy很快就要上映,网上已经有预告片段。一直猜Colin Firth演Bill Haydon(右一),果然。不过他的脸部实在日渐松弛,优雅的老去可不容易啊。为了不给没看过书的同学剧透,就不把Bill Haydon原型的照片拿出来对比了。

BC同学演Peter Guillam,造型蛮象六十年代初的人物。

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Re: [电影]Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy

Posted: 2011-08-26 7:40
by Jun
只贴照片不给名字不算剧透吧?

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Re: [电影]Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy

Posted: 2011-08-26 7:53
by CAVA
这张照片显老,网上有几张更年轻倜倘。

Re: [电影]Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy

Posted: 2011-08-26 8:12
by Knowing
哗哗,trailer 里中老青帅哥云集啊,tom hardy 我也挺喜欢 :love015: :love015:

Re: [电影]Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy

Posted: 2011-08-26 8:27
by CAVA
豆瓣上有许多剧照,雷锋真多。这张真惨,灯光师没尽到责任!

Re: [电影]Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy

Posted: 2011-08-26 8:33
by Knowing
我喜欢colin firth 已经超过了物理层次,听他说话就好,脸上塌点也无所谓。 :love015: :love015:
小白,你喜欢的纹身肌肉男!
http://www.douban.com/photos/album/42844695/?start=72

Re: [电影]Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy

Posted: 2011-08-26 8:40
by CAVA
说起声音,原版Smiley Alec Guinness的嗓音最最最动人,更不用说演技了,Gary Oldman挑战巨大。

Re: [电影]Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy

Posted: 2011-08-27 20:08
by putaopi
这部小说是我的真爱,热泪盈眶地期待电影。colin firth 演 Hayton? 不够倜傥啊。。。就是说不够Gay。我怎么记得这部里Peter的戏不太多呢?

Re: [电影]Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy

Posted: 2011-08-28 2:43
by CAVA
怀疑这部改编不会象79版电视剧那么忠实原著。Peter Guillam在小说里的戏份的确不多,也没有被当成主要心理挖掘对象,而从BC最近的采访看,不但被加上了很多背景,还被派成弯的,hmm...

Bill Haydon是弯的么?我记得原小说里唯一挑明的是Jim Prideaux。电视剧里Ian Richardson演Haydon,长得不最好看,倒真的很倜傥。

Re: [电影]Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy

Posted: 2011-08-28 7:27
by Jun
Gary Oldman 一看就是老奸巨猾的样子,而 Alec Guiness 是看上去绵羊实际上吃人,两个风格不同的 Smiley。

小说也看过,电视剧也看过,但是情节完全不记得了,只留下一个模糊的印象。除了 Smiley 之外,唯一印象深刻的人物倒是百科全书 Connie Sachs。从N年前看小说到现在,我一直都不由自主地感情站在 Bill Haydon 这一边,觉得 Smiley 挖出他来其实是公报私仇。

Ian Richardson 的气场十分强大,他演过贝尔教授呢。

Re: [电影]Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy

Posted: 2011-08-28 18:09
by putaopi
剑桥五人中有个是弯的,Bill Hayton是男女通吃,我觉得是揉和了几个人的特点。

Peter被派成弯的?那可是正中小E等同人女的下怀。我郁闷地说。

Re: [电影]Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy

Posted: 2011-08-28 18:28
by Jun
putaopi wrote:剑桥五人中有个是弯的,
Guy Burgess 吧?

Bill Haydon 的原型是 Kim Philby,Graham Greene 的朋友。

另外有个片儿叫 Another Country,原型是 Burgess,Rupert Everett 年轻时主演的,里面也有 Colin Firth。讲的是 Burgess 在 public school 里接触到共产主义的事儿(Firth 演他的同学)。我觉着那片儿里的情节多半是虚构的,其实跟搞间谍乃至信仰都没什么关系,而是个揭露英国公学黑幕的故事。

Re: [电影]Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy

Posted: 2011-08-28 22:22
by krycek
anthony blunt也是弯的,rupert everett其实也演过Philby,不过那片子一般

Re: [电影]Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy

Posted: 2011-08-28 22:31
by krycek
colin firth完全不是那个味道吧,我老觉得他有点呆

Re: [电影]Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy

Posted: 2011-08-29 2:52
by CAVA
putaopi wrote:Peter被派成弯的?那可是正中小E等同人女的下怀。我郁闷地说。
也许定位就在迎合女性观众,你看选的这一堆老中青帅哥,索性迎合得彻底点。郁闷的只有我们俩 :wink:

昨晚BBC播了Page Eight,颇有点Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy的意思。军情五处的Bill Nighy和Michael Gambon一说他们从剑桥起就是朋友,我哈地笑出声来。

PBS今年夏天有没有重播Lewis?

Re: [电影]Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy

Posted: 2011-08-29 6:25
by Jun
CAVA wrote:也许定位就在迎合女性观众,你看选的这一堆老中青帅哥,索性迎合得彻底点。郁闷的只有我们俩 :wink:
谁叫他现实之中,英国公学和Oxbridge本来就培养了那么多显赫的弯男呢?
PBS今年夏天有没有重播Lewis?
有。现在正在重播第三季。

Re: [电影]Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy

Posted: 2011-09-17 11:20
by CAVA
看完了,比较失望。以下牢骚含剧透 :mrgreen: ,没看过书的同学慎入:

前半部节奏迟疑缓慢,基本没有紧迫感。支线情节的改动可以理解,Brno换成布达佩斯,香港换成伊斯坦布尔只是小节。Percy Alleline的野心兼无能外化为表象的丑陋,Toby Esterhase从六国贩骆驼的老油条、真小人变成严肃紧张的扁平人物,Peter Guillam被派成弯的,咱都忍了。可是至关重要的Bill Haydon彻底完全地失败。记得书里有一句:经过这一切,我们想起Bill时还是忍不住带着affection。同情Bill Haydon的读者至少有一部分是因为他的无敌魅力和领导才能吧,Colin Firth既没有表现出这些,电影也缺少Haydon为何被Guillam一代崇拜的铺垫。这个双重间谍的背叛为什么让所有人特别有幻灭感?剧本和选角双重失败。

Gary Oldman演得不错。他的Smiley更黑暗,似乎失去了原书里的人性关怀与哲学思考。记得看完书和电视剧的时候我对Smiley既敬畏又充满同情,看完电影后无感。BC同学的表演不过不失,Tom Hardy的Ricky Tarr相对很有光彩。

Le Carre自己说2010年代的电影需要grittier, sexier,这个我不反对,只是新版跟原书的调子出入甚大,除了结局处的一分钟似曾相识,那种深刻的被背叛与孤独感。Le Carre超越于其它谍战小说的地方在于他的深刻思考:为什么加入情报工作?为什么放弃自己的理想?为什么背叛国家、师长、朋友?每个人的理由都不尽相同。电影从头至尾基本没有引发观众思考的意图,虽然它成功地制造了冷漠、暗淡、压抑的氛围,更象部讲究摄影的艺术电影。

Re: [电影]Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy

Posted: 2011-09-20 14:30
by Knowing
刚看完还觉得很棒,看了cava的影评觉得很郁闷,那么说电影根本没有得到小说和原剧的精髓?因为bill haydon 就是个男女通吃不则手段的实用主义者。smiley很闷很沉稳,没有那么多怜悯挣扎。原作者自己被剑桥五人背叛过,又跟他们感情什么,写书也是一种清洗记忆,反刍,处理的过程,不可能光是个thriller。
新一代里,bc的角色不出彩,除了揍tom hardy 那幕戏。弯得毫无必要,是酬谢新福尔摩斯腐女粉丝?:mrgreen: tom hardy 毛里毛糙的很可爱!

Re: [电影]Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy

Posted: 2011-09-21 0:36
by CAVA
书里的Bill Haydon不是实用主义者,而是浪漫主义投错了方向。Smiley也是浪漫主义,他反抗的方式是不断退休。

这个有声书的版本特别棒,小K有兴趣的话不妨听听:http://www.audible.com/pd/ref=sr_1_2?as ... 227&sr=1-2

电影说是thriller,可是给我很闷的感觉,我们那场有小青年中途退场。总把电影与原著比不太公平,可是也不能光搞气氛不讲思想吧。其实还有一点我也不大满意,每个演员都拍得那么丑(BC角色的男友几乎完全谢顶),除了Tom Hardy和那个俄国女孩子。优雅的贵族妇女Ann Smiley被打扮成了服装鲜艳的庸俗脂粉。

目前的评论好象都很好,只有少数和我一样比较郁闷:
The screenplay, by Peter Straughan and Bridget O’Connor, fails to provide any social, historical or political context to give the mole hunt any great urgency or wider importance. The cold-war backdrop to these events has disappeared. We are told that the Russians have had a mole in the agency for years, but we are never shown what the consequences of this are. Will the Red Flag soon be flying over Buckingham Palace? If Smiley is right when he claims there’s not much difference between us and them, why care what happens to British intelligence?

What seems to be at stake here is not the infiltration of British intelligence by the communists, but something worse — the American infiltration of British intelligence. The real battle going on here is between a pro-American cabal, led by Allenine, and the former controller of MI6 (John Hurt) and Smiley.

At times, the film is like one of those star-studded 1970s Agatha Christie movies that are full of familiar faces. But, unlike a Christie mystery that invites you to consider the evidence and make a guess as to who is guilty, Tinker Tailor keeps us out in the cold: we have to watch the experts do it. There are no clear clues that point to any of the main suspects, other than that they all, at various times, are shown to have the furtive, glaring faces of the guilty. I wish the film had spent more time on their back stories than on the overlong saga of the love affair between a British spy, Ricki Tarr (Tom Hardy), and the wife of a Moscow agent. Consequently, we hardly to get to know them.

Then there is Smiley. He’s meant to be the grey man with the great mind: think John Major meets Sherlock Holmes. But we never get the pleasure of watching this great mind at work. There’s a key moment in the film when he’s listening over and over to a tape of Tarr, and suddenly has a significant breakthrough. Instead of discussing it with his Watson-like sidekick, Peter Guillam (Benedict Cumberbatch), so that we could understand his reasoning, we’re left in the dark. And the final scene where Smiley catches the mole is baffling. There’s no clear explanation as to why he should, on finding a suspect in a certain house, conclude that he is the guilty one.

The mark of a really great grown-up film is that it provides you with something to talk about on your way home from the cinema. Sadly, once you’ve made the comparisons with the 1979 BBC television series and praised the cast for their wonderful performances, there’s not much left to say. (Go on, take the Tinker Tailor test on your way home from seeing it.) That’s because the film is intellectually vacuous. There’s not one arresting or fresh idea here. Instead, it repeats the basic view of spies that goes from Conrad to Graham Greene to le Carré: that they are a grubby lot who will betray anyone.

Re: [电影]Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy

Posted: 2011-09-21 8:35
by Knowing
好啊,改天听听,就怕太郁闷。
我倒不觉得闷,可能因为我不知道迷底,觉得做为一个thriller 很紧张,到处都是小线索,看的人神经紧绷。杀人的场景拍的特别好,每一次都出乎预料吓死。

grittier I get, where is the 'sexier' part? everyone is so ugly and old... BC那个头超级难看,郁闷的是,他被编成弯的也就算了,为什么还发一个老丑大叔当男朋友?这是为什么啊为什么? :let_me_die: :let_me_die: :let_me_die: connie sache 也巨老丑肥胖,她挑逗smiley 时观众都起鸡皮疙瘩。。。能把一堆气质演技都高超中老青通通搞的那么老丑也不容易,每个人都挂个大眼袋,看着都有七十岁,我服了灯光师!

Re: [电影]Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy

Posted: 2011-09-21 9:10
by Jun
扭捏地说,小K这么一形容倒勾起了我的兴趣。

Re: [电影]Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy

Posted: 2011-09-21 9:10
by CAVA
小说和电视我各看过两遍,每次都感到thrilled。深度放在那里,如果又写/编/演得好,知道情节还是会感觉到紧张,不觉得闷。79年电视剧的第一集,开场两分钟只是四个嫌疑人坐下开会,一句台词也无,但每个人上场的方式和肢体语言完全各异,眼尖的人可以分辨得出他们在组织里的地位高低,还有每个人的个性。

除了Ricky Tarr的确性感,其它我也没看出来。新Connie Sachs造型太恐怖了,她是个知识分子好不好!电视剧里的Connie挺好看的。

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另外,昨天报上一篇评论说,Bill Haydon的原型其实是Anthony Blunt,只不过小说发表时他还在英国,不好直接写,所以说是Kim Philby。事实上Bill Haydon身上揉和了好几个人的特点。搜了下照片,79版的Haydon长得真有Blunt的精髓!

Kim Philby, Anthony Blunt, Bill Haydon by Ian Richardson

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Re: [电影]Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy

Posted: 2011-09-21 11:17
by Knowing
天那,connie 的反差太大了!

Re: [电影]Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy

Posted: 2011-09-21 12:05
by Jun
I love Ian Richardson. He played also Dr. Joseph Bell. Mmm... :heartpump:

Re: [电影]Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy

Posted: 2011-09-21 20:25
by putaopi
被CAVA这么一说,拔了我心里的草,踏踏实实地等盗版碟出来好了。把书翻出来准备再读一遍。

Re: [电影]Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy

Posted: 2011-09-23 7:55
by CAVA
Ian Richardson把Bill Haydon那种public school golden boy懒洋洋的自负与满不在乎演得恰有分寸。

电影看得不满足,找到了John Le Carre最早的一部作品Call for the Dead来听,有许多Smiley的早期历史,包括他和Ann是怎么相识结婚的。用Ann的话来说,"George is breathtakingly ordinary"。唉,全世界只有Ann对Smiley的才能视若无睹。这本小说紧张又紧凑,水准很高,后面几部作品里的关键人物Mundt, Peter Guilliam和Inspector Mendel 都有出场。

好奇地问,从北京应该也能在Amazon上买Kindle书吧?

Re: [电影]Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy

Posted: 2011-09-23 8:03
by putaopi
可以买kindle书的,但是要有美国的credit card,我朋友用中国地址的卡买,就会有pop up出来说这个国家我们没有服务。 pbs, netflix, hulu.com 都看不了。call from the dead 我好像没看过呢,要去找找。