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[zz] Jackie and the Girls

Posted: 2012-06-26 13:00
by Jun
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/arc ... irls/9000/

最近看到这篇文章,其实是书评,不过里面有很多果汁的八卦。这些事儿我只是少少有耳闻但是不知道具体的,所以还很起劲。里面的主要人物怎么看怎么 pathological,or maybe that's just how rich people are。

关于JFK和他的小蜜之一:
He was romantic, sharing late-night dinners with her and putting love songs on the record player, and he was sexually sadistic, asking her to perform sexual services on his friend Dave Powers—the president's “leprechaun”—which she once did (while JFK stood in the pool and watched), to her everlasting regret. Sometimes he treated her like the debutante she was, begging her to sing a Miss Porter's School song and teasing her for dating a Williams boy; and sometimes he treated her like the kept woman she had become, peeling off $300 and telling her, “Go shopping and buy yourself something fantastic.”
Throughout the marriage, John always had girls: there were girlfriends and comfort girls; call girls and showgirls; girls on the campaign trail and girls who seemed to materialize out of thin air wherever he was. There was also the occasional wife of a friend, or the aging paramour of his randy pop, for those moments when the fancy ran to mature horseflesh or masculine competition. His penchant for prostitutes demoralized the agents assigned to protect him: “You were on the most elite assignment in the Secret Service,” the former agent Larry Newman told a television interviewer a decade ago, “and you were there watching an elevator door, because the president was inside with two hookers.” Mimi Alford describes a JFK who once asked her to service his friend (and his “baby brother,” Teddy, though she refused), who took her to a sex party and forced drugs on her, and who callously had a functionary line her up with an abortionist when she thought she was pregnant, and yet Janet Maslin can write, accurately, in her New York Times review of Once Upon a Secret, that there's “not a lot of news” in the book.
It's impossible to think Jackie had no idea that any of this was taking place. Once while giving a Paris Match reporter a tour of the White House, she passed by Fiddle’s desk and remarked—acidly, and in French—“This is the girl who supposedly is sleeping with my husband.” Moreover, she was one of the worldliest women of the 20th century, no stranger to the variety of sexual experiences that so often shaped the lives of bored aristocrats. Her father was a chronic cheater, and her mother later became the third wife of a notorious lady-killer. By means of this second marriage, Jackie became a sort of stepsister and a close pal of Gore Vidal, one of the few people who could explain completely the nature of her husband’s sexuality, as it was so much like his own: “Neither [of us] was much interested in giving pleasure to his partner,” he wrote in Palimpsest. “Each wanted nothing more than orgasm with as many attractive partners as possible.”
It is, of course, possible to see the two of them in a distinctly unflattering light, as a couple of pampered children of very rich men, whose highest calling was toward their own best interests and constant diversion. She was a shopaholic who loved to party and ride horses and vacation in the most happening ports of call, to settle her boyish, perfectly dressed frame into well-upholstered chairs with her pack of Salems and her glass of champagne and to exercise her savage gifts for mimicry and comic malice. She was no fan of Martin Luther King Jr., that “phony,” that “tricky” person. “I just can’t see a picture of him,” she told Schlesinger, without thinking, “That man's terrible.” Jack had told her of Hoover's tape of King arranging an orgy (later Bobby also told her “of the tapes of these orgies they have”), a predilection that, tellingly, had scandalized Mrs. Kennedy far more than her husband. Her regard for “that freedom march thing” is clearly low, while her voice thrums with excitement when she's describing good furniture and good food.

As for John Kennedy—what did he do for us? He started the Peace Corps and the Vietnam War. He promised to put a man on the moon, and he presided over an administration whose love affair with assassination was held in check only by its blessed incompetence at pulling off more of them. (“That administration,” said LBJ—painted birds long forgotten, the mists of Camelot beginning to clear—“had been operating a damned Murder, Inc.”) He fought for a tax break the particulars of which look like the product of a Rush Limbaugh fever dream, he almost got us all killed during his “second Cuba” (writing of JFK and the missile crisis, Christopher Hitchens noted: “Only the most servile masochist … can congratulate [Kennedy] on the ‘coolness’ with which he defused a ghastly crisis almost entirely of his own making”), and he brought organized crime into contact with the highest echelons of American power. More than anyone else in American history, perhaps, he had a clear vision of what his country could do for him.
在大学里上的第一堂美国历史课上,历史老师就很看不上JKF,说他搞砸的事情远远超过他办成的事情,全靠他爹的钱堆出来的仕途和good looks,是个绣花枕头。那时我还挺奇怪的,如果这是真的为什么媒体舆论总是把JFK吹的万里挑一?

Re: [zz] Jackie and the Girls

Posted: 2012-06-26 13:28
by 笑嘻嘻
媒体也很盲从吧。媒体喜欢把他塑造成美国金童,不知道当年他老爸有没有控制媒体。

Re: [zz] Jackie and the Girls

Posted: 2012-06-26 13:46
by Knowing
你为什么不阴谋论说民主党喜欢把自己的总统打扮成万人迷。
问题是JFK长的完全不好看!这个英俊潇洒的神话是怎么塑造的?就因为他搞了万人迷梦露?

你们看到john edwards 的情妇出书上电视了么?到现在为止老婆,情妇,甚至助手都出了书,只有JE蹲在家里默默吐血。这个小三的确够疯狂, 跑出来申辩说自己不是home wrecker, 因为JE以前就有好几个情妇。还主动承认俩人有性爱录像带。 :mrgreen: 她的理由是,我们在非洲访问,倒时差头昏脑涨,又疯狂的相爱,johnny 叫我拍一个我就拍了。

Re: [zz] Jackie and the Girls

Posted: 2012-06-26 13:48
by tiffany
那话咋说的来着?不怕神一样的对手,就怕猪一样的队友 :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Re: [zz] Jackie and the Girls

Posted: 2012-06-26 13:50
by Knowing
前半辈子运气好,有Elizabeth Edwards神一样的队友,然后运气用光了。。 :mrgreen:

Re: [zz] Jackie and the Girls

Posted: 2012-06-26 13:53
by 笑嘻嘻
我也觉得JFK长得不咋地。
现在说不定小学历史书里都那么教大家,大家就从了。

Re: [zz] Jackie and the Girls

Posted: 2012-06-26 13:54
by Knowing
他演讲时还蛮charming 的。

Re: [zz] Jackie and the Girls

Posted: 2012-06-26 14:00
by tiffany
作为一个搞政治的世家出身的人来说,他也不难看了。
我觉得是不是因为美国人民也想过把本国贵族的瘾。我看我国人民这两年纷纷对贵族上瘾,连康有为的后裔都算贵族了 :mrgreen:

Re: [zz] Jackie and the Girls

Posted: 2012-06-26 14:11
by 笑嘻嘻
他不算是政治世家吧。他那个时候他算暴发户,他们好像是爱尔兰裔对不对?所以代表民主党,代表少数族裔,代表好莱坞。当时意大利裔什么的都是被歧视的少数族裔。可能他代表当年的美国梦?

Re: [zz] Jackie and the Girls

Posted: 2012-06-26 14:14
by tiffany
他是天主教,不是新教。跟传统的wasp不是一个路子的。

Re: [zz] Jackie and the Girls

Posted: 2012-06-26 14:18
by Knowing
爱而兰意大利都是天主教,来美国晚,跟先来的WASP和路德教派不对付。JFK当选第一个天主教总统跟帅哥当选第一个黑人总统一样是超级酷的事情。
catholic 到现在也算少数。不过不准避孕,所以繁殖很快。asian 太不能生不肯生了。
美国历史短,贵族标准没那么严格,不用追究老根儿,真追起来大家都是搭五月花过来的穷光蛋能贵到那里去。JFK是富三代就算挺贵族了

Re: [zz] Jackie and the Girls

Posted: 2012-06-26 14:21
by 笑嘻嘻
开始不是反华案不许咱们把老婆孩子带进来的?就是怕你繁殖啊。

Re: [zz] Jackie and the Girls

Posted: 2012-06-26 19:20
by IF NOT
JFK夫妻两个被说是英俊美貌,我完全看不出来,或许是那时照相技术问题?

Re: [zz] Jackie and the Girls

Posted: 2012-06-26 20:58
by qinger
我一直觉得JFK脸长得跟土豆似的,不理解美国人民何以认为他帅。大概是因为难得有那么年轻的总统。
不过Obama长得跟猩猩似的,也大把人觉得他帅,审美真是很私人的事。
Jackie除了两只眼睛分得开了点,还算好看,而且她有种特别的优雅气质。

Re: [zz] Jackie and the Girls

Posted: 2012-06-26 21:54
by Jun
看跟谁比呗。跟 Nixon 比当然是风流倜傥,美国总统其实大多是老粗,老粗才能让红脖人民安心,连电影明星都靠装傻拉选票。JFK 相比之下算是很浪漫而出众的了。而且 Jackie 很会包装他们整个家庭的完美形象,让大众投射心中的挂历式美国梦,整个一女版 Don Draper。这篇文章就是讲那一代美国人如何吃这一套包装的假象,很有趣的。

跟 JFK 搞的那些 orgies 相比,Mad Men 前两季里那些办公室鬼混内容太小儿科了。

这篇文章里还提到一个女人,同时泡美国总统(JFK)和芝加哥黑帮大佬 (Sam Giancana)。我有个同事是芝加哥人,她早跟我说过有这回事。

Re: [zz] Jackie and the Girls

Posted: 2012-06-30 13:34
by CAVA
真巧,我刚开始看一本叫The Importance of Being Kennedy的半虚构传记小说,从他们家带大Jack(JFK)在内共九个孩子的爱尔兰奶妈的角度写,非常有意思。刚开始因为对肯尼迪家族不熟悉,看着有点费劲,去wikipedia上补了补课,好些了。

Jack的祖父外祖父家是第一、二代的爱尔兰移民,父亲有钱,母亲家有政治背景,但至少在他的童年时代,和波士顿的邻居们没什么往来。不知道因为他母亲Rose的性格关系(作者对她多有针贬),还是他们家的罗马天主教背景,或者因为被别人瞧不起是暴发户。被寄予众望的一直是长子Joe,把他当未来的美国总统培养,Jack受到的不过是备胎待遇。他爹的情人很多,有次母亲因此怀着孩子赌气回娘家去了,但天主教不允许离婚,所以只能练习装聋做哑的功夫。