智能手机时代的福尔摩斯

oliver · Post by **oliver** » 2010-08-05 12:11

刚去google了一下vintage belstaff，那种军装式样带腰带的，难道不是watson身上穿的吗？
究竟是谁的大衣呀，我糊涂了。

Jun · Post by **Jun** » 2010-08-05 12:34

我对于福尔摩斯（或许应该顺应潮流叫歇洛克）很英俊着一点儿，虽然很喜欢，倒也不觉得必要。他跟花生（或者约翰？）的魅力，在我心里跟容貌无关，就是够美够俊也加不了很多分。

Agreed. He is described as having intense dark eyes with a twinkle --- the only thing he cannot hide with disguise.

Of all the speculations about the relatinoship between Holmes and Watson, I must say the MoffGat version is closest to my own view, which is purely based on the Canon --- Watson loves Mary Morstan but remains a loyal friend and admirer to Holmes, while Holmes is "married to his work."

I always sort of believe that, in a very Platonic way, Holmes loves --- or has tender feelings toward --- Watson. I can't quite justify this assumption. Maybe I unconsciously place myself in Watson's shoes from the start.

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小E 推荐的故事太...了。

Jun · Post by **Jun** » 2010-08-06 10:21

第三集 "The Great Game" 据说是以 "The Adventure of the Bruce-Partington Plans" 改编的，于是我把这篇拿出来复习一下。一上来就笑倒了。

开头讲伦敦连续四天大雾，没人犯有趣的案子，福尔摩斯闷坏了，问华生报上有没有什么好玩的案子。

"There have," said I, "been numerous petty thefts."

Holmes snorted his contempt.

"This great and sombre stage is set for something more worthy than that," said he. "It is fortunate for this community that I am not a criminal."

"It is, indeed!" said I heartily.

I can listen to their bantering all day.

So it was a comedy after all.

CAVA · Post by **CAVA** » 2010-08-06 10:53

I was much amused by opening of The Adventure of the Creeping Man

It was one Sunday evening early in September of the year 1903 that I received one of Holmes’s laconic messages:

Come at once if convenient–if inconvenient come all the same.
S. H.

The relations between us in those latter days were peculiar. He was a man of habits, narrow and concentrated habits, and I had become one of them. As an institution I was like the violin, the shag tobacco, the old black pipe, the index books, and others perhaps less excusable. When it was a case of active work and a comrade was needed upon whose nerve he could place some reliance, my role was obvious. But apart from this I had uses. I was a whetstone for his mind. I stimulated him. He liked to think aloud in my presence. His remarks could hardly be said to be made to me–many of them would have been as appropriately addressed to his bedstead–but none the less, having formed the habit, it had become in some way helpful that I should register and interject. If I irritated him by a certain methodical slowness in my mentality, that irritation served only to make his own flame-like intuitions and impressions flash up the more vividly and swiftly. Such was my humble role in our alliance.

Jun · Post by **Jun** » 2010-08-06 11:15

Indeed, John is his skull.

笑嘻嘻 · Post by **笑嘻嘻** » 2010-08-06 11:35

福尔摩斯闷坏了的调调好像颇有几本开头都在讲。唉，要跟上你们的讨论看来还得把福尔摩斯给复习一遍。我这就上ibook 上去下载。

Jun · Post by **Jun** » 2010-08-06 13:25

其实我也就是重读了被电视剧＂借鉴＂了的那两三篇故事而已：血字的研究、四签名、跳舞的小人、布鲁斯—帕廷顿计划.

Knowing · Post by **Knowing** » 2010-08-06 14:00

就是，小时候我很迷过一阵，抱着全集看过好几遍，后来就过去了，现在跟你们讨论都觉得知识不够用，回去复习了好几篇。

Elysees · Post by **Elysees** » 2010-08-06 14:10

HE爱好者很不好意思的来承认，那么多年来我翻来覆去看过的，其实就是《空屋》，中文英文翻来覆去看十几遍，看到花生晕倒就兴奋的手舞足蹈大叫。
其他的，就光有一点儿模糊的印象。
话说很多年前我在中学里年级组织个什么活动，看了《少年福尔摩斯》，是读书时期的福尔摩斯的故事（那个学校跟哈利波特的似的，又是城堡又是大钟，还有大雪），里面有个段子好像是解释了他为什么终身不婚的。可惜多年来我都没有找到这个片子，没法重看，就光记得那个少年福尔摩斯十分英俊。

Elysees · Post by **Elysees** » 2010-08-06 14:12

Jun wrote: I always sort of believe that, in a very Platonic way, Holmes loves --- or has tender feelings toward --- Watson. I can't quite justify this assumption. Maybe I unconsciously place myself in Watson's shoes from the start.

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小E 推荐的故事太...了。

你终于承认了，哎~~~
话说那故事。。。非同人女看起来，是有点儿难消化哈，你能看完就很不容易了，哈哈。

Jun · Post by **Jun** » 2010-08-06 14:25

Elysees wrote:很多年前我在中学里年级组织个什么活动，看了《少年福尔摩斯》，是读书时期的福尔摩斯的故事（那个学校跟哈利波特的似的，又是城堡又是大钟，还有大雪），里面有个段子好像是解释了他为什么终身不婚的。可惜多年来我都没有找到这个片子，没法重看，就光记得那个少年福尔摩斯十分英俊。

What else? He had a girlfriend. She died. He was crushed. Blah blah, blah.

The movie was pretty awful and very Hollywood.

Elysees · Post by **Elysees** » 2010-08-06 14:32

笑嘻嘻 wrote:福尔摩斯闷坏了的调调好像颇有几本开头都在讲。唉，要跟上你们的讨论看来还得把福尔摩斯给复习一遍。我这就上ibook 上去下载。

Kindle上有啊，免费的。
话说我觉得Kindle真好啊，那么多免费的书，前段时间我看你们讨论奥斯汀，跑去把所有免费的Kindle奥斯汀都下了。

What else? He had a girlfriend. She died. He was crushed. Blah blah, blah.

现在回头看，是挺不像他哈，但您要理解我当时只有13、4岁，看了福尔摩斯也没看明白后面的江河涌动。这个好莱坞当年看来还是很动人的。

Jun · Post by **Jun** » 2010-08-06 14:40

I have thoroughly exposed my true nature of a Holmesian geek. Obviously I have spent way too much time on anything Holmes.

笑嘻嘻 · Post by **笑嘻嘻** » 2010-08-06 14:48

我也看过那个少年福尔摩斯。当年觉得好好看哪！
小E 你买Kindle 了？还是pc/手机上的版本？我也打算买一个了。

Elysees · Post by **Elysees** » 2010-08-06 14:53

我没买，就是搞了个Kindle Android 和一个Kindle Mac。我有个朋友定了新版Kindle，说是已经脱销了。您要能习惯在手机上看书，搞个Kindle iPhone就好，一样方便。
我立马跑Netflix上把这个少年福尔摩斯定了，又把它提到单子第一名，捂脸

笑嘻嘻 · Post by **笑嘻嘻** » 2010-08-06 15:02

我有kindle iphone。免费书上面不如stanza。最近玩tap fish 玩得眼睛疼，更加觉得kindle 硬件屏幕的好处，尤其是最近不是降价了。

Elysees · Post by **Elysees** » 2010-08-06 15:15

话说福尔摩斯探案集这种书，中文或英文或两者，我觉得很应该置上一套家里囤着。
我前面才夸了Kindle，刚跑店里，想下个归来记看，结果发现，尽管其他所有福尔摩斯从血字研究四签名巴斯克维尔猎犬到拿波里系列统统免费，唯独这本归来记，需要0.99。这是神马居心啊，可恶！
好在我在Aldiko上找到了。

putaopi · Post by **putaopi** » 2010-08-06 15:31

好久不见，真是很想念大家呢。国内真是把恶人谷封得死死的，什么都看不到。福尔摩斯是我喜欢的话题，你们还讨论奥斯汀来着？我得赶紧去补补课。

笑嘻嘻 · Post by **笑嘻嘻** » 2010-08-06 15:43

我说你跑到哪里去花差了！个多月不见啊，葡萄皮。

Elysees · Post by **Elysees** » 2010-08-07 7:44

我昨儿晚上总算从头到尾把这粉红研究看完了。
自拍肩膀一下说，我从他们追踪开始，就意识到有问题的是司机不是乘客，嘿嘿。至于那个毒药，我以为是两瓶都是有毒的啊，那个人自己吃了解毒药在先吧。
福尔摩斯太美貌了，而且是一种叫人迷惑的美貌，俺觉得有点儿让我分心

那什么，福尔摩斯貌似一开始不知道开枪的是花生，还在跟那个笨蛋警察描述开枪的人，说道军人部分，忽然隔着人群看到花生隔着警戒线静静站着，两人遥遥对视，这时还给来个寂静效果，把我的小心脏萌得怦怦跳。

最后两个人并肩走远的戏份，哎！哎！！哎！！！编剧你要不要酱啊。。。
又，听到福尔摩斯说，Sherlock, please。心里还是觉得很不适应。

Jun · Post by **Jun** » 2010-08-07 16:17

Kindle ($139 那款) 不仅卖脱了，而且我发现必须买个套子 35 刀，而且他们的套子只有一个选择，看上去还挺 bulky 的。本来我都下决心要买了，现在又有点犹豫。

putaopi · Post by **putaopi** » 2010-08-07 17:07

Kindle能读中文吗？我们夏天出门时间长，特别体会到Kindle的重要性，一回来就打算入货。

Jun · Post by **Jun** » 2010-08-07 20:14

putaopi wrote:Kindle能读中文吗？我们夏天出门时间长，特别体会到Kindle的重要性，一回来就打算入货。

中文不清楚，但是据说可以下PDF。说实话我其实还是更喜欢纸书，不过一下子装三千本书的容量的确很诱人哪 ...

Elysees · Post by **Elysees** » 2010-08-07 21:02

putaopi wrote:Kindle能读中文吗？我们夏天出门时间长，特别体会到Kindle的重要性，一回来就打算入货。

据说新版是可以的，新的3G版还有免费的3g network上网什么的，我觉得真的很值啊。

Jun wrote:Kindle ($139 那款) 不仅卖脱了，而且我发现必须买个套子 35 刀，而且他们的套子只有一个选择，看上去还挺 bulky 的。本来我都下决心要买了，现在又有点犹豫。

不止一种选择啊，我看颜色居多啊，从大红到橘红还有黑白灰，任君选择啊。

tiffany · Post by **tiffany** » 2010-08-07 21:22

我觉得那个尺寸稍大，近似hardcover，不方便躺在床上看；我打算等他缩到paperback的大小再考虑。

putaopi · Post by **putaopi** » 2010-08-07 23:31

Elysees wrote:
putaopi wrote:Kindle能读中文吗？我们夏天出门时间长，特别体会到Kindle的重要性，一回来就打算入货。
据说新版是可以的，新的3G版还有免费的3g network上网什么的，我觉得真的很值啊。

139块的那款说是 Improved PDF Reader
Now with new dictionary lookup, notes and highlights, and support for password protected PDFs. Easily carry all of your documents on the go.
真有些不明白，189块的据说除了有3Gnetwork之外，其他的功能完全相同。

小E说的新款是379块的Kindle DX吗？它的说明里是这样的：Built-In PDF Reader: Carry and read all of your personal and professional documents on the go. Now with Zoom capability to easily view small print and detailed tables or graphics

不知道跟其他两款在读pdf时有什么不同。我关心这个功能除了想读中文之外，还想到网上图书馆的ebook多是PDF版的，要是不能借书看就多少有些遗憾。

putaopi · Post by **putaopi** » 2010-08-07 23:37

我回国去公婆家，正好赶上梅雨季节，看到公公书柜的英文书都发黄发脆，甚至有的长了霉。心想一定要给他买个kindle 或Ipad，老一辈人喜欢读的英文经典，都可以找到免费的存起来，从Amazon上买新书也方便。

Jun · Post by **Jun** » 2010-08-08 7:36

139 那款没有3G 上网的，只有 wi-fi。Kindle 都是6寸屏幕，但是 Sony eReader 有一款小一点的，5寸，白博可以去找找看。我觉得6寸虽然大一点但是大屏幕看着舒服。

总之我的最大 objection 是：1) 前后乱翻不那么方便，2) 太鼓励 impulsive buy，没有自制力的人（例如我）很容易下一堆东西看不过来。

今年在 Smithsonian 民俗节的时候遇见一个图书管理员给大家解释说他们正在致力于旧书数码化的工作，因为19xx-1960年出版的纸书含酸性漂白剂，令纸变黄变脆，无法长期保存，所以这些书得先抢救。老一点的书不含酸性纸，反而保存得久。

CAVA · Post by **CAVA** » 2010-08-08 15:37

天哪，第三集刚结束，节奏比第二集快几倍，我手现在还微微地抖，不知道说什么好。Moriarty果然出现了。。。

社会关系相当广泛，特别是在鱼龙混杂的中下层社会里；眼花缭乱的易容术和演技；贝克街小分队。

几乎都有了。

Jun · Post by **Jun** » 2010-08-08 15:45

Mark Gatiss 老兄果然不负众望么？

CAVA · Post by **CAVA** » 2010-08-08 15:48

好几个SH故事浓缩在一起，大段福尔摩斯与华生的互动，超多超快推理，喘不过气来的情节。。。这些够我消化到明天的了

你要知道Moriarty是谁吗？

不怕剧透就上forum看吧

Jun · Post by **Jun** » 2010-08-08 15:56

I see. I see.

CAVA · Post by **CAVA** » 2010-08-08 15:57

Actually I should congratulate you on the very early suspicion of the Molly-Jim setup. As soon as Jim turned up I knew you were right! But that hardly spoils the fun of this episode.

Off to bed now. Talk to you tomorrow.

Jun · Post by **Jun** » 2010-08-08 16:01

Can you even sleep now?

CAVA · Post by **CAVA** » 2010-08-08 16:03

I'm seriously tempted to re-watch it immediately on BBC's website. But one has to work tomorrow...

Jun · Post by **Jun** » 2010-08-08 18:35

看样子 Gatiss 用 cliffhanger 结尾这一招够损的。不过说起来也是被原著教坏的，当年 Dr. Doyle 把福尔摩斯写死了，引发读者群情激愤，强烈抗议，逼作者不得不让他死而复活。 MoffGat 打的算盘也很精，鼓动影迷们轰炸BBC的老板，逼他们出钱拍第二季。不过第二季从现在开始筹备，还要给所有主要演职员排期，还要拍摄，恐怕得等一年，短期内是没有了。第二季也得 MoffGat 来写，否则就没啥看头了。

vivi · Post by **vivi** » 2010-08-08 19:23

啥时能下载呢？

Jun · Post by **Jun** » 2010-08-08 21:07

抱歉我还得再绑架一下这个thread。

You have Sherlock. We have Mad Men. 哈！

叹气。如果 Jon Hamm 今年再不得 Emmy 奖，我就要把他们评委的电视都给砸了。这么狗血的桥段，他们居然也敢写敢拍，I 服了U , Matt Weiner! I can't believe I was so affected. 真是又哭又笑。

simonsun · Post by **simonsun** » 2010-08-08 21:38

Jun你马上就要达到terry gross的粉红水平鸟

Jun · Post by **Jun** » 2010-08-08 21:40

simonsun wrote:Jun你马上就要达到terry gross的粉红水平鸟

如果过去没有达到她的水平，看完403这一集就已经逃不掉了。

CAVA · Post by **CAVA** » 2010-08-09 2:08

这一集如果说有什么小欠缺，就是对话不如第一集风趣，虽然对华生博客，粉丝论坛，gay话题的reference都很好玩。呼唤Anderson中

关于Moriarty的争议也不少。但总的来说非常棒，比普通电视好看不知多少。尤其福尔摩斯和华生的关系越发深入成熟。所以我不明白Sherlocking坛主的态度，说很失望正考虑是否关闭论坛，莫非在故意制造话题，增添人气？

几段故事除了大量原著元素，比如《布鲁斯—帕廷顿计划》《海军协定》《最后一案》《五个桔核》《波希米亚丑闻》，还揉进了时事，象英国重要政府公文保存不当以至丢失，不过是两三年前的事。

Jun · Post by **Jun** » 2010-08-09 7:10

CAVA wrote:关于Moriarty的争议也不少。但总的来说非常棒，比普通电视好看不知多少。尤其福尔摩斯和华生的关系越发深入成熟。所以我不明白Sherlocking坛主的态度，说很失望正考虑是否关闭论坛，莫非在故意制造话题，增添人气？

几段故事除了大量原著元素，比如《布鲁斯—帕廷顿计划》《海军协定》《最后一案》《五个桔核》《波希米亚丑闻》，还揉进了时事，象英国重要政府公文保存不当以至丢失，不过是两三年前的事。

Ripped from the headlines, eh?

I won't be able to download the episode until at the earliest tonight. But I wonder -- what if this young Moriarty is not the real Moriarty?

CAVA · Post by **CAVA** » 2010-08-09 7:30

果然是一种可能性，就看MoffGat怎么写了。Moriarty虽然重要，原著一大半故事他都没有直接参与。目前的结局很开放。

我希望他们慢慢写续集，写好点，每年出几集，出上个七、八年。真贪心！

Jun · Post by **Jun** » 2010-08-09 7:45

I kind of understand the forum owner's problem. He probably does not enjoy paying for the bandwidth for some squeeling twats to post dull and silly stuff.

CAVA · Post by **CAVA** » 2010-08-09 9:42

原来是私人网站，我还以为是官方建的呢。那么他想怎样都可以理解了。

camellia · Post by **camellia** » 2010-08-09 10:01

A young gay Moriarty?

haven't finish the episode yet, but feels a lot better than last week already.

Jun · Post by **Jun** » 2010-08-09 10:30

Putting aside the TV series, I have always thought the original "Final Problem" brilliant in that it NEVER shows us (ie, Watson) Prof. Moriarty. No witnesses. It's perfect. I am not sure I want to know what Moriarty really looks like. What you don't see is a lot scarier than what you do see.

vivi · Post by **vivi** » 2010-08-09 10:39

The youtube one has been blocked finally by BBC. Any other way to watch/download?

哦，刚发现电驴上有，就是慢。

CAVA · Post by **CAVA** » 2010-08-09 12:19

土豆上有得看，查《新福尔摩斯》就好。

Moriarty出现，还这么早出现，应该跟当初追加投资的不确定有关。如果不能拍第二系列，第一系列里当然要把编剧心爱的故事和元素都写一写

Jun · Post by **Jun** » 2010-08-09 12:48

CAVA wrote:Moriarty出现，还这么早出现，应该跟当初追加投资的不确定有关。如果不能拍第二系列，第一系列里当然要把编剧心爱的故事和元素都写一写

I agree. Note that 心爱的故事和元素 include Moriarty but not Irene Adler.