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Post by 海岸 » 2004-04-24 5:17

将近三个小时的电影,只有一个布景,像一个舞台剧。开始有些不习惯,但是整个影片人物情节处理的非常细致,慢慢的看进去以后,越来越不忍心。
这是我看过的最可怕的电影,人性的残酷一览无余。以往总说贫困僻塞的人们淳朴而善良,现在惊觉,贫穷落后不能等同于善良。
一个地方与外界的沟通较少,加之贫穷,使得在利益格局上没有太多的纷争,加上缺少诱因,使一个小世界里平静而淡泊。这并非是那里人性品质的高尚,如果有机会将大量利益引入到平静的世界中,那么很可能激引一场巨烈的变化,所谓高尚的品质会突然变得脆弱而土崩瓦解。
人性本恶么?
洛基山中的狗镇,居住着几户普通人,一天山外来了一个神秘女子格雷丝,说自己无处可逃。镇民开会后,大家同意先把她留下来观察一番,外表养尊处优的格雷丝,用勤恳劳动获得大家的信任,镇民决定收留她。她满心希望地与镇民们愉快相处。
但不久,警察局来了通缉令,称格雷丝是抢劫犯,镇民讨论后,认为格雷丝必须加倍工作以换取留在狗镇的权利。 从客气到随意指派,从虚伪到狰狞必露。格雷丝做牛做马,狗镇的人享受的心安理得。格雷丝在一家被男主人强奸,又遭女主人带领几个女人上门的侮辱。作为惩罚,她们砸碎了格蕾丝用微薄的收入换取的7个心爱的小瓷娃娃,也砸碎了格蕾丝的心。并冷酷地扔下一句:“如果你能忍着不哭,我就给你留下一二个。”
她彻底看透了这些人,想逃跑,却被镇上的司机强奸并带回了镇上,接着她被所谓男朋友当众揭发了想逃跑的计划,于是受到更残酷的对待,白天,她戴着铁镣和狗圈做苦役,晚上则成为镇上男人的泄欲对象。 她痛不欲生。
终于有一天,黑帮的人来到了狗镇,原来格雷丝是黑帮老大的女儿,当初她不愿意作他的接班人而逃跑,她一直相信人是善良的。现在,狗镇人完成了对她的教育,“恶”的教育,她发觉“这里的人和黑帮没有什么区别,消灭了狗镇世界可以少一处邪恶的地方”。
得到权势的格雷丝,流泪下令杀光了镇上的男女老少,烧掉房子,格蕾丝吩咐手下“有个家庭有好几个小孩,如果当着她的面杀她2个孩子,她能忍住不哭,那就停止……她欠我的”。手下掀开车窗帘布,外面熊熊的火光,哭声震天,格蕾丝含泪看着这一切。人都杀光了,只剩下出卖过她的所谓男朋友。格蕾丝握着枪走过去,他还在伪善的解释些什么,格蕾丝用枪指着他的脑壳,“砰”的一声,什么都结束了。她回到车上,对父亲说“有的人,要自己亲自去解决。”
狗镇被毁灭。唯独留下了一只从未欺负过她的狗。结尾那只粉笔画的狗变成了真狗跳了出来,对着镜头狂吼。
多象是一出寓言。 
整部电影根本没有室外的拍摄,全部镜头都在摄影棚内完成,就是一部在电影棚中完成的话剧:所有场面在一个舞台上完成,舞台中央搭建出一座30年代的美国小镇,只有最少量的道具和装饰,最像样的道具,是能开上舞台的汽车,布景更是近乎于零。背景墙壁的线条由粉笔画出,镇上各家的门也是没有的,开门,依靠演员的动作和制作出的吱呀响声来完成,其中树和狗居然是用粉笔画出的,标上名字。
丹麦籍的编剧兼导演,拉斯・冯・提尔,自《黑暗中的舞者》后,又一次用DV摄影方式拍了一部探讨人性的电影。故事背景是大萧条年代的美国,他甚至从没踏上过美国的土地。
主角妮可・基德曼说,曾难以看完这部自己主演的《狗镇》,“太困难了,我无法看下去。所以我离开了。”


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Post by 沉默的知了 » 2004-04-25 19:35

今天和一个女友在电话上争了快俩小时有关这个电影。我是在她极力推荐下去看的,结果就是下午电话上的学院派和俗人大战。

我觉得这典型是一个开始想当耶稣基督结果却成了希特勒的圣人饭特希,开始对世界上什么都理解欣赏,找借口容忍,姑息养奸,受尽委屈还隐忍不发,等终于把大家丑恶的一面都引发到极点了,再走向另一极端全面爆发,烧杀抢劫种族灭绝。借那黑帮老大说得,这导演比Grace还arrogant。

她却看得痛快淋漓,说这电影是对现实社会的反思解构,外加烧的好杀的好,"they deserved it"。还说,其实导演连Grace也批判在内----她最后做的,比那些村民也没有高明到哪里去。

唉。

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Post by helenClaire » 2004-04-25 19:55

想起新版的<<悲惨世界>>来。

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Post by 小伊 » 2004-04-25 20:06

恩,有想看的欲望了。
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Post by Jun » 2004-04-26 7:00

这部片子出来后被多数美国影评人狂批.
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Post by 海岸 » 2004-04-26 8:20

导演在嘎纳举行的首映上,说本片完全讽刺美国人,这是美国三部曲中的第一部,接下来继续剥皮。
最后说要“解放美国”,全体美国记者立刻退席。

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Post by helenClaire » 2004-04-26 8:50

他这样专讽刺美国人的人性,倒让我要看轻他了。

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Post by Jun » 2004-04-26 9:58

据说von Trier从没出过家门儿, 因为他怕坐飞机.
他的电影完全不是我那杯茶.
有人说看这部电影好像看墙上油漆干, 也有人说你看不懂就说明你是外行. 我不打算看了.

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Post by 沉默的知了 » 2004-04-26 14:38

他要真讽刺美国倒也罢了。问题是我没觉得他讽刺到点子上啊。我也没见过Grace这样抱着崇高目的,视权力为粪土,隐忍自虐到衰的的圣人,我也没见过小镇这样完全自私一坏到底的群众。人都是有些小心思的,自私,占人便宜,势力范围保护,一不留神找到合适土壤都会狠狠表现一下子。可大多数人都在自私和与人为善中间找着个平衡点,罪不至死,美国人自己也明白得很,制度上就假设人人先为自己着想而给大家限制着,生活里也时不时自己笑话自己一下子。至于美国的国家行为,虽然向来打着正义旗号,但大家都心知肚明是为了美国国家利益,没谁以为小布是为了一直被其他弱小国家伤透了心才来当世界警察的。这电影,糟就糟在设置的寓言故事实在有点假,没法让人和现实世界真的联系起来。

不过纽约时报说的也是,真也好假也好,美国在世界上一天顶着个街上铺金砖的乐土的名声,就一天打算着受世界上其他看不顺眼的人这样各式各样的褒贬吧。

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Post by 狸狸 » 2004-05-15 5:17

没有看过这片子,不过随手翻艺术世界,引用了英国杂志Sight & Sound中拉斯冯特尔的意见,抄录如下:
“在某种意义上,影片是对美国的批评,同时又不是,因为它与今日丹麦政治有着惊人的相似。这甚至与伊拉克战争也有平行关系……我为丹麦的参与感到耻辱,对这次战争不抱任何同情与尊敬。”
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Post by ravaged » 2004-11-07 17:08

saw it yesterday on DVD.

this is indeed one of the most thought provoking movies i've seen (granted that's not very many), and the stylized nature of the film, although confusing and tiring at first, becomes an essential part of the message by the end. three hours flew by, and i was engrossed and kept guessing throughout the film.

despite what the director may have said in real life, the film is not about a distinctly american psyche. its message is universal in nature. it's a reflection on human nature, its cruelty and indifference, and one on the dynamics of an enclosed group as well. people are good when they can afford to, and bad simply because they can. it's a message taken right out of machiavelli--or, judging from the biblical references, a much more ancient source--and to me, it doesn't matter if the film fails to capture all the nuances of human nature. that is not its intention; its intention is to magnify the temptations each of us may face and strip our decisions of their rationale. the ending is ironic, not judgmental; grace, the protagonist, delivers her verdict on dogville in the form of utter annihilation, but the fact that it is sheer brute force, not moral conviction, that renders the verdict simply elevates the story above moral battles. glory or despicableness of man makes no difference in the end.
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Post by 猫咪头 » 2004-11-07 21:49

people are good when they can afford to, and bad simply because they can.
How true. Such is the fact of human nature that one must work with it rather than against it.
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Post by Jun » 2004-11-08 8:14

one must work with it rather than against it.
I completely agree. The problem is that to work with human nature (including the good and the bad traits) one must first acknowledge the less-than-pleasant or less feel-good elements. Most people and the society's establishment do not like facing the negative traits and only want to hide or deny them, thus making it very difficult to work with human nature as a whole.

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Post by 花差花差小将军 » 2004-11-08 8:38

我是不会看这戏的基本上我已经接近了有Kidman的电影基本上都不爱看的程度
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Post by DeBeers » 2004-11-08 8:58

花差花差小将军 wrote:我是不会看这戏的基本上我已经接近了有Kidman的电影基本上都不爱看的程度
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Another actor has this honor from me is the hairy Russell Crowl :lol:
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Post by karen » 2004-11-08 9:03

我在电影院里看这部片,故事布景的确古怪,而且镜头故意摇晃又跟着特别近, 看了一个小时后有motion sickness, 我只得出去透气。

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Post by Jun » 2004-11-08 9:17

I have written off any movie with Brad Pitt in it.
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Post by 花差花差小将军 » 2004-11-08 9:19

Pitt is not that bad, he's quite good in Snatch and Fight Club. Yeah, Russell Crowl is really a turn-off.
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Post by Knowing » 2004-11-08 9:41

我基本不看有kidman, russel crowl, Richard Gere,ben afflect, j. Lo 的电影。
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Post by karen » 2004-11-08 9:47

谁有心情去看那个新片Alexander? 是那个澳洲来的混小子主拍的。 我现在对这种好莱坞花了血本又装模作样的片子粉没胃口, 希望是粒flop.
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Post by Knowing » 2004-11-08 9:49

I suspect so. Too bad, Angelina Jolie is in it.
I went to Alfie last night. Uh!
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Post by DeBeers » 2004-11-08 9:52

But I like Colin Farrel, too bad I can't see it:(
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2004-11-08 9:56

坏了,kidman的电影我还看的挺起劲儿的。 :-D

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Post by Knowing » 2004-11-08 10:03

DeBeers wrote:But I like Colin Farrel, too bad I can't see it:(
Why not?
Colin Farrel kind of lost his bad boy charm as he matured.
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Post by 花差花差小将军 » 2004-11-08 10:10

My list is identical to Knowing's, plus M. Griffith, I can't stand her at all.
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Post by karen » 2004-11-08 10:16

我周末也看了Alfie, 不外是因为Ray的票卖完了, 只得看这个。 Alfie好在不是粒爱情戏剧,几个女主角都挺有味道滴, Marisa Tomei还那么漂亮。 Jude Law的新女友也在那片子里, 哗哗哗,身材真好,看得我下巴差些掉下来。

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Post by Jun » 2004-11-08 10:26

Collin Farell is Irish, not Aussie. He has not made too many wise choices since he fabulous start with "Tigerland" (really one of the few war-related movies I actually like). Alexander is directed by Oliver Stone, so may not be too routine. The drawback is that I'm not at all into "epics" and "war movies."
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Post by vivi » 2004-11-08 10:32

I like Kidman in 'the others'. I haven't seen any movie of tom cruise or brad pitt for ages.
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Post by Knowing » 2004-11-08 10:35

Yeah the casting is just amazing, every actress is the best pick for the role: Marisa Tomei as the single mom, Jane Krakowski as the sexy ignored wife of a rich (investment banker I suppose), Susan Sarandon as the tough adventurous business women. Everyone looks fabulous, of cause Judy Law too.
But the movie is still crap! It is only funny in a handful of places. And honestly, as cute as Judy Law, you just can't carry lame monologue on and on. Too much shallow soul searching. Ur!
Is his gf the hot blonde?
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Post by karen » 2004-11-08 10:53

Yeah, his girlfriend is the hot blonde who was naked except for a thong and a pair of fluffy boots when Alfie complained that she shouldn't wear his favorite shirt to paint the apartment. :-D She is gorgeous!
The dialogue is lame, and this narrating-his life-as-it-happens thing is kinda of lame. I mean as an audience I can think for myself, I don't need him to tell me everything that's going on in the movie.

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Post by Knowing » 2004-11-08 11:16

She is one sexy kitten! What a cute couple! :lol:
My girlfriend and I got bored with the plot and started predicting things. The only thing I did not get was Susan Sarandon's long pounded "He is younger" :lol: We thought that was truly hilarious and unexpected. But the rest is just lame.
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Post by tiffany » 2004-11-08 12:09

Male movie star, the only one that I can not take is richard gere. Female, one and only kidman.
but the actor in CSI Miami is really getting on my nerves
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Post by DeBeers » 2004-11-08 12:23

如果让我在看亚历山大帅哥还是宝贝双双间取舍,我还是喜欢后者 :lol:
另外,colin farrel 是爱尔兰人,布鲁斯南认为他最合适继任007的人选 :lol:
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Post by dropby » 2004-11-08 13:56

我以前也很讨厌KIDMAN. 但是我很不好意思地说红磨坊我居然看得津津有味, 虽然某人看了半小时就逃了. 然后The Hours我喜欢得不得了, 可能原因之一是戴假鼻子的KIDMAN一点都不象KIDMAN. 我现在不大讨厌她了.
这张碟我是有的. 有一个周末快十二点了拿出来, 看了一下那么长就没看. 现在要在我的单子上排第二了.

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Post by 花差花差小将军 » 2004-11-08 14:19

wow, you like the hours?!
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Post by 娜娜猫 » 2004-11-08 14:33

Knowing wrote:我基本不看有kidman, russel crowl, Richard Gere,ben afflect, j. Lo 的电影。
me2me2, + Jude Law.

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Post by dropby » 2004-11-08 14:50

花差花差小将军 wrote:wow, you like the hours?!
I actually like it a lot.
Kidman以前真是一个花瓶, 不过她现在真的成为一个演员了.
我也有很多看见就烦的演员, 比如Tom Cruise和Richard Gear. 不过大家有谁谁就不看的声明我是不会当真的. 反正Chicago我是看的. :lol:

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Post by 花差花差小将军 » 2004-11-08 15:08

她84在Birth里面和很南难搞的Lauren Bacall 合演么,人家电视采访Bacall,就说现在Kidman已经越来越演技成熟了和你一样4一个legend,Bacall翻着白眼很不高兴得说她怎么能算legend,她too young to be a legend
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Post by ravaged » 2004-11-08 21:17

i didn't know that nicole kidman was in dogville... if i had known i probably wouldn't have gone see it. so i guess i'm glad i didn't know... :lol:

the other dvd i watched was "good bye, lenin." that was good too!
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Post by 语冰 » 2004-11-09 4:57

这个狗镇故事,听起来太象寓言了。我总觉得成年人喜欢看寓言的很少了。

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