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[zz] 爹妈请入:养娃秘诀

Post by Jun » 2018-02-14 12:03

这篇文章我是一边看一边笑,想象着发给你们看会引发什么样的反应。

The Key To Raising A Happy Child
February 14, 2018 6:00 AM ET
by CORY TURNER

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/02 ... appy-child
So write William Stixrud and Ned Johnson in their new book, The Self-Driven Child: The Science and Sense of Giving Your Kids More Control Over Their Lives. Feeling out of control can cause debilitating stress and destroy self-motivation.
When my daughter was in high school, she came to a lecture I gave on the adolescent brain, in which I mentioned this low correlation between grades and success and how research on valedictorians suggests that they don't do better than other college graduates once they're in their mid-20s. Driving home, she said, "You know, I liked the lecture, but I don't really believe that you believe that stuff about the grades."

I told her, "I absolutely believe it." In fact, I believed it enough that I offered her a hundred bucks to get a C on her next report card.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

让我想起不知在哪儿看到的一句话,大意是:Most kids grow up fine not because of but in spite of their parents' efforts.
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Post by putaopi » 2018-02-14 12:54

肯定是有不少父母重视分数重视上大学的,但是还有很多做父母的其实是在battle with electronic devices and social media. 在我看来只要有个全心投入的passion,成绩好坏不是重点。问题是大部分的孩子还没有找到passion, 化很多时间打游戏网上聊天,做父母的着急上火可以理解。

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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2018-02-14 13:10

我小时候就有老师这么对我们全班同学说:成就最高的通常是拿B的学生,不是拿A的学生。把我们班的优等生给气的。可惜大学招生办和招工面试的人都不这么想。又可惜,这之后的生活工作又不看成绩了。
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Post by Elysees » 2018-02-14 13:39

太长了,没看完。我现在的感觉是儿童少儿教育心理学没什么实际的科学根据,基因和父母本人到生活习惯(而不是教育方式)起的作用最大,其他理论都是自己随口捏,很多人写文章讲座大都是我怎么教育我孩子,他们现在如何如何,根本算不上成熟的实验样本数据,那些所谓追踪发展的的样本变量那么多,也根本没法control,所以结论也未必可信,都瞎说罢了。
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Post by putaopi » 2018-02-14 14:15

小E刚才写的一大段,怎么又删了?确实这些儿童教育专家都拿自己的孩子举例,每个家庭每个孩子都太不一样了,很难用同一个方法。就是指出一个大致的方向吧,关键是让父母放松心情,做好长期作战的准备。 :mrgreen:

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Post by Jun » 2018-02-14 15:47

还好我没当妈,当了肯定是事无巨细管头管脚的 micromanager,没办法性格就这样 neurotic 啊,哪怕知道是白费劲肯定也忍不住。连自己的行为和性格都没法控制,更别提别人(儿女)的行为和性格了。
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Post by Elysees » 2018-02-14 16:27

putaopi wrote:小E刚才写的一大段,怎么又删了?确实这些儿童教育专家都拿自己的孩子举例,每个家庭每个孩子都太不一样了,很难用同一个方法。就是指出一个大致的方向吧,关键是让父母放松心情,做好长期作战的准备。 :mrgreen:
那一长段是举了几个我爹(比较隐蔽的)manage我的例子,然后写完以后想想,这不就又掉到我自己说的,举例说自己儿女啥啥的样本不具备说服力嘛,所以删了。
Jun wrote:还好我没当妈,当了肯定是事无巨细管头管脚的 micromanager,没办法性格就这样 neurotic 啊,哪怕知道是白费劲肯定也忍不住。连自己的行为和性格都没法控制,更别提别人(儿女)的行为和性格了。
我觉得很难控制这种micromanage的冲动,别说对娃,我对贵人都是管头管脚,主要是对于某些性格的人大概会有一种希望事物能顺应自己的希望发展的冲动,不过久而久之就知道事不可为,自然就不得不放弃。
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Post by dropby » 2018-02-14 21:23

我不管娃的结果就是娃昨天中文学校小party要求带零食,我忘了娃也没记着,没带。今天情人节,我早上才想起来今年根本没给娃买卡片,但是娃也一直没要求。现买也来不及,就这样跑学校去了。晚上乐乐回家带回来13张卡片,我感觉好多了。他不是唯一没带的。欢欢倒是记得给爸妈做了情人节卡片,还用中文写着“你们是世界上最好的父母”。我汗了又汗。

成绩当然重要了,不及格一定要上补习班。最基本的阅读和算术总要会吧。A我就不要求了,反正也是给C学生打工。 :mrgreen:

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Post by qinger » 2018-02-15 2:29

我对养娃秘诀啥的已经免疫了,早过了相信这些的阶段。
我觉得对娃影响最大的一是基因,二是父母的为人处世方式兴趣爱好和peer的影响。
现在偶是胡军的扇子。

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Post by Knowing » 2018-02-15 2:43

他说的就是要培养娃儿进入flow 的能力和习惯.然后找到能进入FLOW 的职业就齐活了. 这说明他很喜欢自己的职业.这对所有不喜欢自己工作的成年人都是无法理解的.

这个养娃秘诀用来养我自己不错。我需要给自己创造高度集中高能量高努力低焦虑的工作状态。好吧现在我得先去找到这个我喜欢干的事情. 其实就是写程序。 写有意思的程序的时候,我能进入这种特愉快忘掉时间的flow 状态。 可惜大部分的工作都没那么有意思。
The point he's made is that, if a kid is deeply involved in something that he loves to do, he's going to create a brain-state that combines high focus, high energy, high effort and low stress. Ideally, at least in our professional lives, that's where we want to be most of the time. We want to be interested, engaged, active, alert, and focused but not highly stressed.
正好这涉及最近听的另一个卫报长读: Post-work: the radical idea of a world without jobs . 乐观的假设全球变暖没把我们全淹死, 机器人会不可避免地取代大部分现有工作, 再乐观的假设真的实行了全民最低收入保障, 工作和闲暇失去区别, 我们面对的问题是不懂如何正面享受闲暇时间.

很多富人现在就面对这个问题,孩子不需要收入,工作不是必需,怎么培养他们的work ethic/positive engagement.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/audio/ ... bs-podcast
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/j ... thout-jobs
The experiment found that people reported “many more positive feelings at work than in leisure”. At work, they were regularly in a state the psychologists called “flow” – “enjoying the moment” by using their knowledge and abilities to the full, while also “learning new skills and increasing self-esteem”. Away from work, “flow” rarely occurred.
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Post by tiffany » 2018-02-22 1:08

这人就是比较会推嘛,俩孩子都 PhD,儿子还有学习障碍,小时候...
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