两个在路上的电影

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两个在路上的电影

Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2005-08-12 16:52

前几个礼拜,终于看了向往已久的《摩托车日记》。南美真美。感觉现在的流行趋势是不是就是这样?电影想办法拍得视觉效果美。不过放在这个电影里很实在,因为导演想表达这一次穿越美丽的南美大陆的旅行对年轻的格瓦拉影响至深。电影一开始好像一个普通的旅行电影,每个镜头都美,但也没什么特殊的。好了后半段,葱绿的山脉,穿着民族服装失去土地的土著,每一个简短地讲着自己的故事。我一边看一边想起小时候看的三毛散文。那些在用口哨做语言的土著,警察听不懂所以禁止使用这种奇特的语言。这种语言的出现就是为了人在大山之中远远地传递消息。那些在旅游区吹奏民族乐器的窘迫的人们。我记不得三毛是不是写的南美了。
演格瓦拉的Gael Garcia Bernal真不错。旅行开始的时候还是一个漂亮的男孩子样子,漂亮的面孔,秀气修长的手指。一路上,他蓬着头发,勾着背,心事重重地到处看,到处问。到了近结束发表演讲的时候,美貌已经完全被覆盖在革命者/劳动者的神情之下。好久没在电影里看到一个美男子不炫耀自己的美貌。好莱坞的明星们都太知道自己漂亮在什么地方,什么角度,什么神情了。
还是感觉差了一点。南美很美,但是我还是不大能理解电影的男主角。也许非常人的心态本来就不是平常人能够理解的。也许本来就谁也不能真的理解格瓦拉,包括导演在内。我老觉得差了一层。我有个ABC同事去北京出差,去之前很兴奋,他回来之后我问他什么感觉?我们关系不错。他小心地说了半天,我说,好了,你刚刚说的好比播新闻,真是政治正确,不痛不痒。废话少说,你能不能给点儿实话?他讲了一点,最后举了一个例子。他去动物园,有大人带小孩去,那小孩没穿裤子,并且随地大小便。我听了当时就脸红了,我完全知道他在说什么,但是也是同时第一次这么清晰地感觉到我跟他讲的这些人、这些生活是这么的息息相关。我心里并不觉得羞愧或者怎么样的,我觉得的是我的好大一部分是属于那里的。这个电影所差的就是这么一点点。所有的美景,所有的苦难都像一个局外人在看的风光片、游记。也所以我会想起三毛的散文。
第二个看的是sideway。这个电影不错,但是要说得也不多。两个小人物,再不正常也在我们正常人的理解范围之内。这个电影把细致的心理变化都拍得清清楚楚,看的时候非常轻松。我比较喜欢那个老花花公子的角色。那个演员长的样子就是一个色衰的中上姿色的人。一定要在结婚前多睡几次才觉得不辜负了自己的美貌。遇到一个新鲜的,马上把未婚妻、婚礼抛到脑后;挨了揍马上把感情冲动忘得一干二净;伤疤还没好就接着饥不择食;丢了戒指才想起来绝对不能丢了未婚妻。所有的情绪变动都合情合理。这人在男女关系上真是个无赖,完全不值得信任,但是却是个不错的朋友。把一个无赖拍得这么不招人讨厌也不容易。
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Post by Jun » 2005-08-15 5:47

说到Sideways,我忍不住要来按个脚印,真喜欢这部片子,我非常认同Paul Giamatti的角色。

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Post by 花差花差小将军 » 2005-08-15 7:40

我觉得两部电影都不错,阿大说的摩托日记我赞同,我的抱怨是节奏稍慢了一点;笑大对片中花花公子的评语是十分正确,的确4“这人在男女关系上真是个无赖,完全不值得信任,但是却是个不错的朋友。把一个无赖拍得这么不招人讨厌也不容易。”所以我想这也是老子厌恶Britney S这类的要立牌坊又要XXX的trash,但是对巴黎希尔顿9没有这么强的反感
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Post by tiffany » 2005-08-15 8:33

sideways我也看了,觉得把这么两个人的一个星期拍的这么喜剧,挺不容易的。最逗也最反高潮的是那个家伙把他珍藏的一瓶什么酒就着快餐一个人给喝了。那个花花公子真逗,一直以为是自己耍别人,最后给个胖妞耍了。 :mrgreen:
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2005-08-15 13:47

Paul Giamatti的角色是主角,大量对白和心理戏。小白说的那个反高潮之前男女主角谈到这瓶酒,Paul Giamatti的角色说:我在等一个special occasion to celebrate. 那女的说:The day you open **** is THE special occasion。这样关于这个反高潮就可以有细微处不同的理解。这样的细节挺多的。所以我觉得这个戏对白写得好,也因为对白写得好,所以歧异多。好比生活中话一说出口就偏离了原意。(这句话是谁说的?)所以我觉得不如那个老花花公子的角色浑然天成,对话不多,每句话都直达意思,表达出来的人物又讽刺又好玩。Paul Giamatti的角色相对有点精致,细节多,覆盖面就少。
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Post by 花差花差小将军 » 2005-08-15 13:59

他像1条有点城府有点墨水不太得志的胖头鱼
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Post by silkworm » 2005-08-15 14:02

看完片子,我老人家叹息:我对Paul Giamatti的角色产生了强烈的代入感。
我家先生抬着8字眉说:啊,很荣幸做你的金发美女硕士生。 :monkey001:

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Post by tiffany » 2005-08-15 14:06

花花侬真高抬他,他其实满looser的,是一个对酒很有欣赏的looser。其实我不太喜欢这种电影,看完了不能给人以逃避现实的快感。不过我很赞赏的是它没给来个大团圆好莱坞式结尾。
哦,对了,我看了ray了,观后感是觉得那首歌hit the road, jack and come back no more no more no more, 唱来真是解气。
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Post by karen » 2005-08-15 14:36

Sideways tells a lot of the characters with the wines they drink.
Take Giamatti's character, he appreciates Sanford pinots and Andrew Murray Rhone blends, to name two of the many wines he drunk on the trip. These two are immediately pleasing, lush, rounded on the palate, juicy and with lots of fruit, "new world" versions of "old world" wines. They are more sensual than cerebral, which is what Giamatti is. He is not as deep as he thinks (look how his book flopped), afterall, the wines he likes, well, how I shall I put it, are a bit of a come on, just like the girl-interest in the movie.

The good thing is that Giamatti is a sensualist, but the bad thing is that he is also an idiotic snob. The famous phrase of the movie is that "I am not drinking any fucking merlot!" Yeah, it's funny dialogue, but as a self-professed vino, this is an incredibly idiotic comment to make. There are beautiful merlots out there, Laird, Westerly Vineyard (right where he did his tasting trip!), and the whole right bank of Bourdeax. With his palate, I can't imagine why he wouldn't like wines from Fransac. What he has is middle-aged narrowmindedness. And he is so protective of what he already knows, that he holds what he doesn't know in contempt.

Now Maya on the hand other... she is a gem!
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Post by tiffany » 2005-08-15 14:40

ha, I hear the movie hurted the sale of merlot but promoted the other wine. and karen's review is a wine-drinker's review. :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Post by 花差花差小将军 » 2005-08-15 14:41

还有去南加的主题旅游团听说如雨后春笋般
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Post by Jun » 2005-08-15 14:42

Yes, the characterization in the motive is so precise and so ruthless! On both men, actually. Really uncompromising. The script refuses to prettify them. The comedy elements kind of mask the pointedness and critical nature of the writing, somehow dilute the "edge" in a casual viewer, but if you pay attention to how it handles the flaws of these 2 male characters, you'd be very impressed. Both are losers, but both are damned real.

And I'm not ashamed to say I see myself in Giamatti's character, even though I fully acknowledge that he IS a loser and all of his losses are his own fault. I can't help but admire the writer who cut open his/my flaws so clearly, so right on.

Maya is the only idealistic character in the movie, and the director admitted as much in an interview I saw.
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Post by silkworm » 2005-08-15 14:48

karen wrote:What he has is middle-aged narrowmindedness.
说实话,我在无休无止的学校生涯里,见过太多这样的左派知识分子.我家先生坚决反对我再在academia里混(if I can manage),就出于同样原因。

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Post by karen » 2005-08-15 14:51

Yeah, Maya is an idealized character. She is treated as a wine Goddess. :whistling: The way she talked about how sensual wines are... It's true and cute, but a bit overkill, imo.
She is only there as a foil for Miles, to show what Miles could hope to become.

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Post by karen » 2005-08-15 15:02

Oh one more thing how the movie used wine to show Miles is a contradicting fellow. Remember how he said he won't drink merlot? But... the star of his cellar, the bottle that he cherished beyond all others, the 61 Cheval Blanc, is a Merlot and Cab Franc blend from Bordeaux. So much for "I am not drinking any fucking merlot!" :mrgreen:

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Post by 豪情 » 2005-08-15 15:14

评论的真精彩, 也想找来看了.
笑嘻嘻引的SIDEWAY的情节怎么有点象JUDE LAW, 我真庸俗, 人家都在分析人性, 就我想着8卦.

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Post by tiffany » 2005-08-15 15:18

这个片子怪文艺的,aka,有点闷。 :mrgreen: 不过挺喜剧的。
说道8,我认出来演miles前妻的那个是friends里面谚苏三的那个 :mrgreen:
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Post by Elysees » 2005-08-15 15:25

Jun wrote:说到Sideways,我忍不住要来按个脚印,真喜欢这部片子,我非常认同Paul Giamatti的角色。
为啥Jun认同这个角色,我当时看对那个老花花公子十分愤怒,不过真喜欢那个作家~~最后的结尾有点儿好莱坞,不过那种那女招待信中和房门前的柔美真是深深打动我。

我觉得结尾挺大团圆的啊,作家最后去敲门,就差那么最后一步的感觉~

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Post by silkworm » 2005-08-15 16:07

Elysees wrote:我当时看对那个老花花公子十分愤怒
我乐得在椅子里扭来扭去:大学女生,大学女生!!! :dog001:

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Post by dropby » 2005-08-15 16:28

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Post by 狸狸 » 2005-08-15 18:38

我乐得在椅子里扭来扭去:大学女生,大学女生!!!
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Post by Knowing » 2005-08-15 22:14

这俩电影我看的时候都很喜欢,现在已经不记得有什么感想了。年纪大了啊,记性越来越差,以后还是得看一本就记笔记,不然全跟白看了似的。
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Post by icefire » 2005-08-15 23:39

一我刚刚看完sideways,真是一肚子的。。。

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Post by Jun » 2005-08-16 5:50

为啥Jun认同这个角色
因为我看Miles就好象照镜子一样,虽然我既不喝也不懂葡萄酒。眼高手低,百无一用,extremely insecure. 只是我还不至于偷妈妈的钱罢了。

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Post by tiffany » 2005-08-16 10:27

Miles is a sad little man who is best characterized as a looser. He is a looser not because he doesn't have money, has dead-end job, or failed to publish his book. He is a looser because, in my personal objective opinion, he is not at peace with the world or with himself. For all the years he has spent on the planet earch, he has not figured out or has the courage to figure out, and accept, who and what exactly he is. In comparison, his looser player friend is a lot more likeable ---- he doesn't have a concsience and is callous as it gets. He is a laugh, and Miles is such a soulful bore.
ps, jun you should in no way compare yourself with Miles.
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Post by Jun » 2005-08-16 10:46

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Post by icefire » 2005-08-16 12:17

sideway有很多处细节编排很动人。 刚开始时,哥儿俩顺路拜访miles的妈,吃饭时他出乎意料地伺机上楼偷老妈的钱,当中对房间里的旧照片恍神片刻。他回饭桌后,他妈表示很担心他的状态,然后小心翼翼、遮遮掩掩、羞羞怯怯地问,“你需要钱吗?”我当时鼻子就酸了,过很久才缓过劲儿来,可看下面的内容时,眼前总时不时浮现他妈的那个疼惜隐忍的面容。

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Post by tiffany » 2005-08-16 14:49

昨天晚上断断续续看了点儿remember the titans,没有看完,好莱芜主旋律片儿,大家们团结在体育精神的大旗下,真爱战胜种族偏见。第一男主角单则华盛顿,那厮长的真好看,真是一看就是有骨气好人。我觉得特逗的是他的女儿小小年纪,一幅diva样子。他带着他去找自己白同事,这个同事也有个差不多大的女儿,这个女孩正在扔篮球,他女儿就问:你干吗呢?白女孩儿穿着格子衬衫球鞋就把球扔过去,说:投篮呢,你也来?这个小黑妞穿的整整齐齐的裙子皮鞋,赶紧一闪,特别不置信的说:我刚做了指甲! :mrgreen:
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Post by Knowing » 2005-08-16 14:55

可爱。这么小的小姑娘做指甲不知道是不是半价。
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Post by tiffany » 2005-08-16 15:02

嘻嘻,还有一个地方,两个小姑娘一起看球赛,那个小白姑娘特激动,跟她嚷嚷说这个谁谁,谁谁!谁谁!!小黑姑娘叫她名字,一遍一遍,得到小白姑娘全部注意力以后,说:I do not care! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Post by 花差花差小将军 » 2005-08-16 15:04

no应该加倍才对指甲小才难做 :f20:
我昨晚看电视看了喷气李的龙之吻 :mrgreen:
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Post by tiffany » 2005-08-16 15:05

那个电影挺搞笑的。 :mrgreen:
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Post by 花差花差小将军 » 2005-08-16 15:07

是啊bridget fonda随地大小便还喜欢吃华人的龙虾片
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Post by tiffany » 2005-08-16 15:11

我觉得他护腕上别了长长短短花花绿绿一排针特好笑。当然看见人家法国的拆拿堂的中国管子只有龙虾片吃,还是感慨了一下儿还是纽约好的。 :mrgreen:
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Post by Jun » 2005-08-16 16:30

Washington, like Morgan Freeman, really should take up more bad-guy roles. They've been typecast for too long. I remember seeing a midnight movie on TV once, in which a very young Freeman played a semipsychotic street thug. Cool. That's why Washington won Oscar for Training Day. People were so shocked and impressed by his against type performance.

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Post by CAVA » 2005-08-17 5:18

What he has is middle-aged narrowmindedness. And he is so protective of what he already knows, that he holds what he doesn't know in contempt.
Karen讲得好!

见过的喜欢葡萄酒的人群中有wine snobs和people who appreciate wine。在传统上不生产酒的地区wine snobs多些,大量产酒的地区people who appreicate wine in a casual way的人多些。电影开始没多久就开始了非产酒地区葡萄酒爱好者的经典发言(台词不保证精确):MMM很多什么香,有啥莓啥香草啥坚果味,还有微微的啥金属气息。。。 :f59:

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