又来了

CAVA · Post by **CAVA** » 2006-08-10 6:31

今天一早起来，电视里全是恐怖嫌疑分子被逮捕的消息。没时间坐下来看个仔细，只知道希思罗机场和英国其它机场的大部分航班被取消或延误，安全检查全面升级，几乎不准带手提行李登机。

蚁民脑袋里首先窜出来的是自私的小念头：幸亏下两周内我不需要坐飞机出差。后来又陆续想到：电脑托运会不会摔坏？上飞机除了护照和钱包都不让带该多不方便？下星期我需要坐火车去别的办公室开会，不会有什么危险吧？管它呢，难道还不过日子了？该干嘛干嘛就是了。

带孩子旅行的人一定最辛苦了，据说一名婴儿才能带两瓶奶，还要妈妈先试吃才能通过。

中国国内早已对行李内的液体物品严加警戒，原来确是有道理的。

tautou · Post by **tautou** » 2006-08-10 7:19

CAVA，你已经在英国了吗？蚁民我今早看新闻，也是立马一拍大腿，下周去机场接人可能要麻烦不少了。虽说现在安全警戒升到红色，可是路上大家还是该干嘛干嘛，马照跑舞照跳兔子照样少不了

飞机上，据说除了护照和钱包以外，还能带救急药品

CAVA · Post by **CAVA** » 2006-08-10 7:38

是啊，我又流浪回来了。

karen · Post by **karen** » 2006-08-10 8:21

这要维持多长时间呢？

Knowing · Post by **Knowing** » 2006-08-10 8:22

我真想揪著恐怖分子啪啪啪的扇他们几个大耳光，搞政治有他们这样的南辕北辙的嘛, 一看布什人气低落就努力搞点动静出来表示支持！这次幸好搞不成，过两礼拜美国人民也就忘了。要是被他们搞成了，十一月选举大家又该选共和党了。

karen · Post by **karen** » 2006-08-10 8:28

是啊，好不容易现在的public opinion是反战的了，他们怎么这么蠢呢？

也许老婆娶得太多了。

Jun · Post by **Jun** » 2006-08-10 8:36

Well, you know, as soon as I heard the news my mind was immediately slipping into the direction of conspiracy theories...

Have you heard the recent (Inspector General's Office?) report that the military lied, yes, LIED, about what they did during 9/11. Most of the emergency actions after the first WTC was hit that they claim they did were not true. And the report said that the Pentagon and military employees DELIBERATELY LIED about what happened. God knows what happened exactly. The only thing I know is this -- these people (including GWB, DC, KR, and gang and whoever is running the show behind the scene) are entirely capable of the worst scenarios you cannot imagine.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00_pf.html

I remember a line in a movie whose title I don't remember: The biggest trick of the Devil is to convince people that he didn't exist.

The biggest accomplishment of the modern, red-white-and-blue brand of democracy is to convince the people that they are free.

火星狗 · Post by **火星狗** » 2006-08-10 9:00

是啊，好不容易现在的public opinion是反战的了，他们怎么这么蠢呢?

大概恐怖分子不读外国报纸也不看外国电视。
这种复杂的政治故事最让人沮丧的地方是：没有谁是无辜的受害者，我的支持（of course it's nothing important）没法放在任何一边，对这类故事越深入，越会得出hopeless/desperate的结论。
不知道这场“反恐战争”会持续多久。当初“冷战”的时候，大概也以为会一直持续下去吧，可是现在提起“冷战”已经觉得像一个笑话。

DeBeers · Post by **DeBeers** » 2006-08-10 9:13

我是阴谋论的忠实信徒，一直怀疑是他们搞得鬼，尤其那些恐怖分子还是他们从前支持的

而且人们早说了，一旦GW及相关人等的支持下降，警报级别就会提高，然后支持率就会提高

putaopi · Post by **putaopi** » 2006-08-10 11:22

昨天跟朋友聊天儿，说她去红脖子州看朋友，被带到Shooting Range游览。在黑乎乎的射击室里，看见靶子上都放着Bin Laden和沙达姆的画像，门口则骄傲地贴着GWB的大头。她们几个亚裔小姑娘吓得落荒而逃，唯恐有人“打枪出事故“。

前几天听收音机，说GWB最成功的地方，就是本来出身于最有钱有势的上流社会，却能把自己装扮得很没受教育的样子，让红脖子人民在他身上有认同感。当然，别人想这样做也有困难，长成他那个样子是天赋。

豪情 · Post by 豪情 » 2006-08-10 11:38

说GWB最成功的地方，就是本来出身于最有钱有势的上流社会，却能把自己装扮得很没受教育的样子，让红脖子人民在他身上有认同感。

民主党最不成功的地方, 就是本来出身于最有钱有势的上流社会，却不能把自己装扮得很没受教育的样子，让红脖子人民在他身上有认同感.
红脖子们需要精英的居高临下的同情怜悯么? 他们需要的是他们重视的价值观得到认同. 民主党这些年经济政策一心向中间走, 在工会, 贸易保护上丢掉了群众基础, 又不能得到财团的信任. 政治政策又向左走, 整天拿GAY MARRIAGE, STEM CELL RESEARCH说事儿, 又丢掉了宗教道德上保守的红脖子. 比起争取到红脖子和资本家的共和党, 我不知道民主党还剩什么, 不过是虚张声势的知识分子明星而已. 秀才造反三年不成.
加州就是给这些人折腾坏了,彻底烂掉了. 把OLD MONEY都挤到NEVADA, COLORADO, TEXAS, FLORIDA了, 只剩新富人, 知识分子和墨西哥人. 等NEW MONEY变成OLD MONEY, 就迅速右转, 墨西哥人站住脚了就离开(理由是加州已经变成墨西哥了, 留在这里来美国干什么).

Jun · Post by **Jun** » 2006-08-10 11:43

政治政策又向左走, 整天拿GAY MARRIAGE, STEM CELL RESEARCH说事儿,

This is not really true. It's not that Democrats are actively promoting gay marriage and abortion, but that Republicans and conservative media are constantly yelling about Democrats' "libral agenda" and using gay marriage and abortion (and teaching evolution in schools) as their targets. Democrats have no voice. So most people do have the impression that Democrats are 整天拿GAY MARRIAGE, STEM CELL RESEARCH说事儿. That's the success of the propaganda of the right.

豪情 · Post by 豪情 » 2006-08-10 11:45

我不完全同意. 上次大选, 老提这俩话题的绝对是KERRY和EDWARD.
民主党领导层绝对和基层脱节了, 要人没人, 要钱没钱, 哪还有当年KENEDY竞选在CHICAGO靠工会拉票作弊那股干劲, 不输才怪. 瞧瞧LIBERMAN.

Jun · Post by **Jun** » 2006-08-10 11:50

I have to disagree, especially on the issue of gay marriage. It is a subject nobody wants to touch, except as a weapon by conservative pundits to attack non-conservative candidates.

Stem cell is a different subject. You can bet a lot of politicians on the right will drift into its support as they themselves and their donors get older and face Parkinson's disease, Alzheimers, diabetes, etc. Stem cell ban is a cause of the extreme religious fundamentalists. The public have repeatedly shown support for stem cell research in polls. It's not a popular cause to ban stem cell research except in the very deeply red states.

Liberman's loss at the Connecticut primary 2 days ago is seen by many Democrats as the revival of the "true" Democratic Party. He lost because he is a conservative and has supported the Bush administration on most issues, especially on the Iraqi war. His defeat was seen as a sign of people being fed up with the current policy and the current Democrats' spinelessness.

Knowing · Post by **Knowing** » 2006-08-10 11:57

Yeah I was happy about Liberman's lost too. I saw this as a major sign the the public felt fed up with currently policy and a strong call to end the Iraqi war.

tuscany · Post by **tuscany** » 2006-08-10 12:12

手提电脑最好不要托运。我的手提才用了三年就有点抽风，让IT人来检查，第一个问题就是 -- 你是不是旅行总带着。据说手提颠簸太多也会出问题；更别说野蛮装卸了。

真相到底是什么，在目前这样的垄断媒体下我们永远不可能知道。

Jun · Post by **Jun** » 2006-08-10 12:13

Ironically, I am strongly against US pulling out of Iraq right now. They started the whole mess with a limp and not-even-convincing bunch of lies. They screwed up an entire country. Then they just abandon the poor people who first got their country bombed invaded and are now living in hell. Well, it's about time the US took some responsibility and at least TRY to fix the mess that they have created in the first place. But we all know what happened in Korea and Vietnam --- really good at creating messes in somebody else's house, but cleaning up their own shit afterward ... uh ... not so good.

Knowing · Post by **Knowing** » 2006-08-10 12:27

That's ok, they were in pretty shitty situation to begin with. Now if US pulls out relatively quickly, they will have to give the credit to someone. Just make sure the US manipulated so-called-elected government gets the credit, not the death squads.

karen · Post by **karen** » 2006-08-10 14:20

I am digressing, but did you guys hear about Lieberman's website crashed right before the primary? Of course he blamed it on the other side and bloggers who tried to hack his site. Somebody did some digging and found out something funny. For a multi-million dollar compaign he is running, guess how much he pays for the hosting service?

$15.

What a cheapie! What do you expect for $15? No wonder it crasehd.

Jun · Post by **Jun** » 2006-08-10 15:33

Well you have to remember he is ... Jewish. (OK it's a joke! I run...

)

karen · Post by **karen** » 2006-08-10 16:59

Yeah, that's sort of the joke.

笑嘻嘻 · Post by **笑嘻嘻** » 2006-08-10 20:11

恭喜CAVA安顿下来了。

CAVA · Post by **CAVA** » 2006-08-11 2:40

谢谢笑嘻嘻的关心

回英国来俩星期，出差倒出了一半时间。在瑞典的小城市碰见一个餐馆老板，中国人，夏天在餐馆赚游客的钱，秋冬天在地方队打乒乓球，非常有意思。

回来第一件事去迷你中国商店买了米，酱油，镇江醋和韩国方便面。第二要务是装宽带。在British Telecom印度Helpdesk的长途遥控下弄妥了无线宽带，和恶人谷及其外面世界其它人接上头，这才感觉安定点。

昨天空运的一点东西终于抵达，不然该去买保暖的衣服了，现在这里平均18-20度。大批家具还在后面。坐在空空的房间里好象大冷冻箱里的一粒青豆，打电话有回音。

silkworm · Post by **silkworm** » 2006-08-11 8:22

CAVA wrote:坐在空空的房间里好象大冷冻箱里的一粒青豆

太传神了！

红尘有缘 · Post by **红尘有缘** » 2006-08-11 8:46

silkworm wrote:
CAVA wrote:坐在空空的房间里好象大冷冻箱里的一粒青豆
太传神了！

下周末我也要回去搬家了,无比担心中

Knowing · Post by **Knowing** » 2006-08-11 9:54

karen wrote:I am digressing, but did you guys hear about Lieberman's website crashed right before the primary? Of course he blamed it on the other side and bloggers who tried to hack his site. Somebody did some digging and found out something funny. For a multi-million dollar compaign he is running, guess how much he pays for the hosting service?

$15.

What a cheapie! What do you expect for $15? No wonder it crasehd.

This is awesome. I think fabvalley costs more than that. Is it true, techsupport?

atiti · Post by **atiti** » 2006-08-11 10:28

silkworm wrote:
CAVA wrote:坐在空空的房间里好象大冷冻箱里的一粒青豆
太传神了！

my first reaction was "such a big room~~" (atiti in the frustrating process of apt-hunting...)

CAVA · Post by **CAVA** » 2006-08-11 10:39

3米乘3米，一点也不大。英国的房子是我见过最小的，城里乡下莫不如此，和日本差不多（岛国么）。主要是房间里现在除了我，只有一台电脑和非常小的一只电脑桌，椅子。我好比在这里露营呢。

karen · Post by **karen** » 2006-08-11 10:51

有地方可以烧咖啡泡茶烤蛋糕就有家味儿了。

花差花差小将军 · Post by **花差花差小将军** » 2006-08-11 11:19

我忧患重重的说如果稀癞痢代表民主党竞选总统我都不管共和党候选人有没有头发我都选共和党

Jun · Post by **Jun** » 2006-08-11 11:39

Do you really think the same power that controls the government and policies now will not control the next government be it Hillary or Howard, Giulianni or Pat Buchannan? What does it all matter?

I'm sure they don't care much about abortion rights or anti-abortion amendments. So GO HILLARY!

豪情 · Post by 豪情 » 2006-08-11 11:57

Knowing wrote:
karen wrote:I am digressing, but did you guys hear about Lieberman's website crashed right before the primary? Of course he blamed it on the other side and bloggers who tried to hack his site. Somebody did some digging and found out something funny. For a multi-million dollar compaign he is running, guess how much he pays for the hosting service?

$15.

What a cheapie! What do you expect for $15? No wonder it crasehd.
This is awesome. I think fabvalley costs more than that. Is it true, techsupport?

LIEBERMAN的网站怎么可以和我们恶人谷比呢? 他那是" “多废话，没有新鲜道理，信息量几乎为零”，加无趣.

putaopi · Post by **putaopi** » 2006-08-11 12:51

I don't think Hilary will make it, but I wish her good luck. At least she looks better then other candidates.

dropby · Post by **dropby** » 2006-08-11 18:47

CAVA wrote:3米乘3米，一点也不大。英国的房子是我见过最小的，城里乡下莫不如此，和日本差不多（岛国么）。主要是房间里现在除了我，只有一台电脑和非常小的一只电脑桌，椅子。我好比在这里露营呢。

我们露营比你舒服多了, 不许污蔑露营.

白天就不说了, 晚上烧着篝火, 烤着甜玉米和红薯, 旁边拉开野餐桌, 四张沙滩椅一摆, 磕着瓜子吃着零食开始打扑克牌, 要多舒服有多舒服.

洛洛 · Post by 洛洛 » 2006-08-11 18:58

putaopi wrote:I don't think Hilary will make it, but I wish her good luck. At least she looks better then other candidates.

That's what I thought. In fact, I hope Rice will be the other candidate, so there will absolutely a female president.
And Mr. Clinton＇s resume will be very interesting.

danni · Post by **danni** » 2006-08-11 20:10

元来说有7架被查出来有炸弹，后来统计了一下全球原来有10架，我想这也太容易点儿怎么都被你们查出来了，所以支持Jun的阴谋论。

现在连牙膏都不让带了，因为可以用来装液体炸弹。
我现在等着Fendi, Gucci,LV出透明又结实的包包呢，不然头等舱的客人拿塑料袋装书装报纸登机多么的违反富人形象，更不必说如果装的东西太多所料袋坏了东西洒一地那将是多么的不光彩！太可怕了！

Post by **techsupport** » 2006-08-11 20:56

他15刀是买多长时间的？要是一天当然比我们贵，要是一年当然比我们便宜。我们这是无价的精神生活。精神生活。

vivi · Post by **vivi** » 2006-08-13 13:37

I just came back from the US yesterday. Phoenix Sky Harbor was 'people mountain people sea' at 4:30 am. The lines at the ticket counters and security check were miles and miles long. I was flagged as 'high risk' and had some 'body search' after I passed the x-ray machine and the metal detector. I wonder if it had something to do with my Chinese passport. My advise is go to the airport 2-3 hours in advance (depends on how busy your airport is) even for domestic flight. I have to go back in couple of weeks again. I am not looking forward. The whole thing in one word is 'chaotic'.

By the way, did they find the bombs on the planes already? I thought they caught them planning.

Jun · Post by **Jun** » 2006-08-18 11:27

I am not the only person who's skeptical of the recent hoopla.

The timing is political

We should be sceptical about this alleged plot, and wary of politicians who seek to benefit

Craig Murray
Friday August 18, 2006
The Guardian

Nine days on, nobody has been charged with any crime. For there to be no clear evidence yet on something that was "imminent" and would bring "mass murder on an unbelievable scale" is, to say the least, peculiar. A 24th person, arrested amid much fanfare on Tuesday, was quietly released without charge the following day.
Media analysis has been full of information from police and security sources. By and large journalists are honourable in this kind of reporting. Their sources, unfortunately, are not - viz the non-existent ricin, the Forest Gate "chemical weapons vest", or Jean Charles de Menezes leaping the barriers. Unlike the herd of security experts, I have had the highest security clearance; I have done a huge amount of professional intelligence analysis; and I have been inside the spin machine. And I am very sceptical about the story that has been spun.

None of the alleged terrorists had made a bomb. None had bought a plane ticket. Many did not have passports. It could be pretty difficult to convince a jury that these individuals were about to go through with suicide bombings, whatever they bragged about on the net.

What is more, many of those arrested had been under surveillance for more than a year - like thousands of other British Muslims. And not just Muslims. Like me. Nothing from that surveillance had indicated the need for early arrests.

Then an interrogation in Pakistan revealed this amazing plot to blow up multiple planes. Of course, the interrogators of the Pakistani dictator have ways of making people sing like canaries. As I witnessed in Uzbekistan, you can get the most extraordinary information from people desperate to stop or avert torture. What you don't get is the truth.

We also have the extraordinary question of Bush and Blair discussing arrests the weekend before they were made. Why? Both in domestic trouble, they longed for a chance to change the story. The intelligence from Pakistan, however dodgy, gave them a chance. Comparisons with 9/11 were all over front pages.

And we have the appalling political propaganda of John Reid, the home secretary, warning us all in advance of the evil that threatens us and complaining that some people "don't get" why we have to abandon traditional liberties.

We will now never know if any of those arrested would have gone on to make a bomb or buy a plane ticket. Most do not fit the "loner" profile you would expect. As they were all under surveillance, and on airport watch lists, there could have been little danger in letting them proceed closer to maturity: that is what we would have done with the IRA.

In all of this, the one thing of which I am certain is that the timing is deeply political. This is more propaganda than plot. More than 1,000 British Muslims have been arrested under anti-terrorist legislation, but only 12% have been charged. That is harassment on an appalling scale. Of those charged, 80% were acquitted. Most of the few convictions - just over 2% of arrests - are nothing to do with terrorism, but some minor offence the police happened upon while trawling through the lives they have wrecked.

Plainly, Islamist terrorism does exist. But its growth is encouraged by our adherence to neocon foreign policy, by our support for appalling regimes abroad, and by our trampling on the rights of Muslims in the UK. Now David Cameron has joined Blair and Reid in the rush to benefit politically from the fear thus engendered. Be very wary of politicians who seek to benefit from terror.

Be sceptical. Be very, very sceptical.

・ Craig Murray, who was posted to Uzbekistan from 2002 to 2004, is the author of Murder in Samarkand - A British Ambassador's Controversial Defiance of Tyranny in the War on Terror

Author of this commentary was a British ambassodor to Uzbekistan.

CAVA · Post by **CAVA** » 2006-08-18 13:35

引自《Yes Minister》

"Press statements are not delivered under oath."

"Government is not about morality, it is about stability; keeping things going, preventing anarchy, stopping society falling to bits. Still being here tomorrow."

"Government is about principles. And the principle is, never act on principle."

Jun · Post by **Jun** » 2006-08-18 13:53

I beg to differ. Government is about preserving its own interest and the bureaucratic status quo. Government is about getting by with doing as little as possible. Government is about eating, taking gifts, and flying around the world on someone else's money (Jack Abramoff anyone?).

Case in point: Washington Post reported today that, after 5 years and $170 million, the massive project of upgrading FBI computer system was "useless." (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01485.html)

I've never worked for the federal government, nor do I have the desire to, but I do have a relatively close view from where I'm living.