精神生活堕落的借口

森林的火焰 · Post by **森林的火焰** » 2006-08-16 10:37

我的室友大学毕业以后工作挣了一点钱，曾经跟另一个女朋友一起游过非洲，游了小半年，背包住便宜旅店，一路走一路望。一共走了五国还是六国，不记得了。她说人民最友善的是“非洲“非洲，象埃塞俄比亚，肯尼亚这些地方。反而在埃及，似乎当地人认为单独出游的白种女人都是妓女。当然她这也是个人感受。

silkworm · Post by **silkworm** » 2006-08-16 10:44

跟JUN握手，埃及和土耳其也在我的list上。

可是埃及近年来针对旅客（尤其美国过去的）的危险事件还真不少。

现在去埃及的话，不知还有没有《尼罗河上的惨案》里的那种旅游船可坐。

去土耳其，我得打印出CAVA的游记，然后还要去Hotel Para Palas。

天，原来是跟阿加沙干上了。哈哈。

火星狗 · Post by **火星狗** » 2006-08-16 11:14

我有时候会借埃及/印度/尼泊尔（我对尼泊尔很有饭特西情节）的旅游书看，在纸上过过瘾。这些书的安全出游这一章很多时候不太鼓舞人心，而且我的确读到了“在埃及，某些地方的人认为单独出游的女人都是妓女。”
先攒钱吧，然后参加Smithsonian旅游团。不过我对印度的范特西多过对埃及的。到埃及只能钻钻死人墓，到了印度，人们还是那样非常多样化的，喧哗热闹的生活着（范特西）。

dropby · Post by **dropby** » 2006-08-16 11:36

我昨天无聊之下, 看了Beyond Borders, 朱丽还是那么美, 不过这个电影, 的确是让我想把男女主角和编剧都抓出来打一顿.

CAVA · Post by **CAVA** » 2006-08-16 13:19

蚕什么时候到英国来追随阿加沙的足迹，我一定努力奉陪。对的，好象JUN也说过要来过过马普儿小姐的生活，热烈欢迎。

Jun · Post by **Jun** » 2006-08-16 14:02

Nod nod. The quaint English country life.

Ah too many plans too little money and time.

karen · Post by **karen** » 2006-08-16 14:44

Jun, 那里真不适合你单独去旅游。你去行是可以去，一定得有男友/老公，或者有粒充当这个角色的男性朋友，要不到处受骚扰。
他们那里对女人的看法就两种，要不你是某某人的老婆，要不你就是粒妓女，无它。老婆们在家待着。泡吧泡咖啡店的是做生意的，单独在街上走的也不正当，she is fair game。阿拉伯男人搭搁起人来粉执着，执着得令人抓狂。我原来认识粒人，白人女的，在Tunisia 旅行社工作过一段。挺爱玩的粒人，在那儿可天天工作不怎么出门。我好奇问为啥，伊说她每次单独出门肯定受骚扰。男友又不在那儿，出趟门还得找自己不怎么喜欢的男人“保驾”。后来伊男友去看她段时间，他在那儿日子可过得写意。阿拉伯男人有种brotherhood的气氛，对男游客粉友好，主动说话请抽烟请客的。有天他在咖啡馆里随便和当地一粒人聊天(里面都是男人)，问人家你怎么不跟你老婆出去？他说，不是我不想。但如果我把我的老婆带这儿来，周围人肯定认为她不三不四。我怎么能让我老婆受这样的侮辱？

还认识几粒香港女孩子跟了旅行社去埃及旅游。上街小贩们对她们特友好，竟是伸手摸她们的脸，她们的胳膊。嘴巴上说是从没见过中国人，切，哪是这样，他们自己的女人可不这么摸来摸去的。

Jun · Post by **Jun** » 2006-08-16 17:23

Karen真热心。好，我去埃及土耳其一定跟旅行团或者男伴同行－－当然啦，最好是学历史又爱吃的男生，长得象Paul Giamatti.

DeBeers · Post by **DeBeers** » 2006-08-17 23:20

洛洛 wrote:明道是台湾183俱乐部的组合，光良和品冠原来是优之良品的组合。

我百忙之中冒个头挑个虫子，洛洛是不是对优之良品的话梅念念不忘啊，光良和品冠是无印良品

豪情 · Post by 豪情 » 2006-08-17 23:33

钻石平安到达了? 路上顺利?

狸狸 · Post by 狸狸 » 2006-08-18 7:31

DeBeers wrote:
洛洛 wrote:明道是台湾183俱乐部的组合，光良和品冠原来是优之良品的组合。
我百忙之中冒个头挑个虫子，洛洛是不是对优之良品的话梅念念不忘啊，光良和品冠是无印良品

洛洛以前就冒过一次“优之良品”被我咬住，这次发现了都没好意思再咬

森林的火焰 · Post by **森林的火焰** » 2006-08-18 7:42

土耳其好象还好啦，气候近地中海，物产丰富，很多人在德国希腊有亲戚，对女人礼貌些。我这又是从实验室的土耳其博后得出的一家之见。
不过那人是我见过的吃东西最疙瘩的一个，挑食得要命，枉他七尺白面长发男儿。

karen · Post by **karen** » 2006-08-18 7:53

Well, first thing first, People in Turkey are Turks, Kurds, and some Persians. They are not exactly Arabs.
Secondly, Turkey is a politically secular country, and they really really want to join the EU, so they might appear more open. But ask your 七尺白面长发男儿 what's the single most important requirement on his wife? For sure he would say a virgin.

Besides, it is not always dependable to judge a country by her grad students here. It's hardly a representative pool.

Jun · Post by **Jun** » 2006-08-18 8:03

Thank GOD Turkey has been secular since the fall of the Ottoman Empire. Ah I am dying to learn more about the history of Istabul and Jerusalem (Damn another place that's unsafe now). It's a f*cking shame that these places, and Beirut, are yet again plunged into war. People haven't changed much since 1000 years ago.

Coincidentally, last Friday on DC Metro, I overheard a middle-aged guy chatting with a couple of youths about Turkey. He is married to a Turkish woman and they go to their beach house in some resort town there every year. The 2 youths just came back from Turkey because one guy's dad was there for a conference on mechanical valves. A couple of names of tourist cities were thrown around.

silkworm · Post by **silkworm** » 2006-08-18 8:07

步白金后尘，又成长起来一位“地铁上的观察家”新秀。

洛洛 · Post by 洛洛 » 2006-08-18 8:09

埃及男生也要服兵役。而且规则好像还满复杂。（不知道其他国家是不是这样）如果家里只有一个男生（独生或者有很多姐妹），就不用去，如果有两个儿子以上，大儿子先去，确定没死回来以后，小儿子再去。反正就是为了保证每个家庭有一个以上儿子。

karen · Post by **karen** » 2006-08-18 8:14

Turkey is all over the map these days. This month's Saveur features food from Turkey (lots of lamb and lots of eggplants), and beach towns there got written up more than usual.

A couple months ago, there was an article in nytimes on sailing along the coast of Turkey, it looks gorgeous.

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Jun · Post by **Jun** » 2006-08-18 8:14

DC Metro is not nearly as colorful as NY. Last time I was on a NYC subway with a friend in the evening, I saw a guy chatting up a pretty woman next to him and throwing around stuff like "my agent", "audition", etc. You don't see that in DC...

洛洛 · Post by 洛洛 » 2006-08-18 8:29

jun什么时候我们去吃一顿土耳其菜好了。

CAVA · Post by **CAVA** » 2006-08-18 8:36

我再次感慨地说土耳其菜真好吃。土耳其南部是欧洲人在西班牙，希腊海边resort后流行的度假地。听说10年前便宜得不象话，现在也贵起来了。

没怎么坐过上海以外的地铁，伦敦地铁给我的印象是大家都不大讲话的。前两天我坐火车跋涉去办公室来着，一程2小时，所谓站站停的那种。中间经过大站Birmingham，发现坐commute火车上下班的人很多。穿着明显比家常的英国人整洁时髦，也是不讲话。:-D

Jun · Post by **Jun** » 2006-08-18 8:45

jun什么时候我们去吃一顿土耳其菜好了。

Last week WashPost weekend did a travel article about this topic -- namely how to find at home the minor comfort of traveling to foreign countries. The writers listed a few local places one can find ethnic food and cultures, including Jamaica, Italy, and Japan.

森林的火焰 · Post by **森林的火焰** » 2006-08-18 9:08

嗯，那个人现在没有女朋友，全副身心扑在工作上。不过据他说他曾经约会过一个犹太女孩，那女孩的父亲对他很粗暴，后来没成。当然这只是女朋友之一，别的没好意思打听。vir不virgin就更不好意思打听了。他现在成天慨叹自从来了加拿大以后没有了life，全奉献给老鼠了。
Karen说得对，graduate students总不是人群的好代表，可能我们太自由散漫和贫困。

Knowing · Post by **Knowing** » 2006-08-18 10:22

Jun wrote:DC Metro is not nearly as colorful as NY. Last time I was on a NYC subway with a friend in the evening, I saw a guy chatting up a pretty woman next to him and throwing around stuff like "my agent", "audition", etc. You don't see that in DC...

You were lucky. I never heard anyone talking to anyone on Subway. You have to be as perceptive as Xiaobai to see things.

putaopi · Post by **putaopi** » 2006-08-18 11:11

Smithsonian tours are designed targeting rich people so they can generate income to subsidize their operation and exhibitions. They must be expensive. I guess they are guided by curators or some sort of experts, and the group will travel in style.

If you can afford, it worthes the money.

ravaged · Post by **ravaged** » 2006-08-18 12:03

Knowing wrote:You were lucky. I never heard anyone talking to anyone on Subway. You have to be as perceptive as Xiaobai to see things.

yeah, everyone including myself is always passed out on the train--granted it's 7am, but still.

plus queens is for boring people.

i rarely see hipsters on the train into queens... but tons going into brooklyn.

tiffany · Post by **tiffany** » 2006-08-18 13:11

in brooklyn, they are going in the direction of Manhattan and Queens, in Queens, they are going in the direction of Manhattan and Brooklyn, in conclusion, they are going to Manhattan

Knowing · Post by **Knowing** » 2006-08-18 13:11

Brooklyn is so hippy

tiffany · Post by **tiffany** » 2006-08-18 13:20

小k，提醒你往上看。
据我们实验室印度小美女反应，坐L车的都是俊男美女，美女你坐L车的吧？

Knowing · Post by **Knowing** » 2006-08-18 13:23

In Manhattan , they are going to Brooklyn and Queens. Xiaobai, it is a loop. I got to Brooklyn too. I went there 2 weeks ago! My friend lives on a lovely treelined block in this lovely townhouse with a little backyard. After the thunderstorm was over, we stood outside, breathed in fresh tree/grass scent you only get after a summer storm.

Jun · Post by **Jun** » 2006-08-18 13:28

Man! Next time I should visit Brooklyn too. I've never been to Brooklyn because I never knew it's such a cool place. Even Paul Giamatti lives in Brooklyn.

CAVA · Post by **CAVA** » 2006-08-18 13:40

Jun对Paul Giamatti的热情，和白博对刘偶像的，一般让我感动得

tiffany · Post by **tiffany** » 2006-08-18 13:48

yeah, there are very nice blocks in brooklyn, I agree

Jun · Post by **Jun** » 2006-08-18 14:11

Only I have very little faith in the longevity of my devotions. I was even a bigger fan of 刘青云 for a while, but now I have no interest in seeing his movies any more.

ravaged · Post by **ravaged** » 2006-08-18 14:18

parts of brooklyn remind me of beacon hill in boston. i'm sooo priced out of anywhere hip in brooklyn, hehe. hipsters need to move into my area to jack up the rent so that i can bask in my rent-controlled glory...

dang, rent stabilized is what i meant... i wish it were rent controlled, i wish.

camellia · Post by **camellia** » 2006-08-20 20:43

搬家次数太多，不过park slope和forest hills是我住过的最好的两个地方。park slope很热闹，年轻人和村里一样多，我原来楼下的日本人是DJ，经常没事几个人打鼓弹琴，曾经他有一任同屋是美女，专门在美国买名牌二手货倒回日本去卖。这两个地方还有城里没有的大树，林荫道。park slope还有大量能爬上去的屋顶。5大道和7大道上好多的小店，淘宝啊。forest hills的房子漂亮的太多，和在欧洲小镇上的感觉很像。两个地方都有好吃的意大利餐，Park slope的杂七杂八多一些。不过现在rent都涨太多，赶在利息上涨前买房子很值哎，反正房租也要交那么多。

jessimy · Post by **jessimy** » 2006-08-21 5:44

同志们怎么这么妖魔化埃及游啊,哪那么恐怖,我深情呼唤FEIFEI出现来给大家普及,就两女孩儿背包走了十五天,压根没什么危险,哪来摸来摸去加误认为妓女一说啊.你要说阿拉伯国家,我们到沙特做项目大把同事,呆足一月,活的都挺生猛的,谁还捂在屋子里不出门了.

我就一意见,还是别报团,自己走,有趣多了.

Jun · Post by **Jun** » 2006-08-21 6:36

Does Bill Clinton still has an office in Bronx? I wonder where in Bronx he is.

CAVA · Post by **CAVA** » 2006-08-21 7:26

埃及不是近年来发生过几起针对游客的爆炸事件么。我有时侯会上英国外交部的Country Guide去找资料，一般而言他们的意见比较不偏不倚，而且及时更新。目前建议绝对不要去旅行的国家是：Ivory Coast，Lebanon，Somalia。埃及不在危险或部分地区危险的名单上。

There is a high threat from terrorism in Egypt. Attacks can be indiscriminate and against civilian targets, including places frequented by foreigners.

On 24 April 2006 there were three explosions at three separate locations in the resort town of Dahab in the Sinai Peninsula, in which 23 people were killed and more than 60 injured. 。。。

On 23 July 2005, three bombs exploded in Sharm al-Sheikh in the Sinai Peninsula. According to the Egyptian authorities 63 people were killed and 124 injured. 。。。

Approximately 838,000 British nationals visit Egypt every year. Most visits are trouble-free. 。。。The crime rate in Egypt is low but you should safeguard valuables including your passport and money.

Egyptian society is conservative and women should dress modestly.。。。

Women are advised to take extra caution when travelling alone as there have been isolated incidents of harassment.

Knowing · Post by **Knowing** » 2006-08-21 8:06

Jun wrote:Does Bill Clinton still has an office in Bronx? I wonder where in Bronx he is.

His office is not in Bronx. It is in Harlem on 125th Street. His home is in Westchester County, north of New York City.

森林的火焰 · Post by **森林的火焰** » 2006-08-21 8:10

嗯，我室友和另外一个女孩也平安回来了。其实平安和危险都是相对的，如果去的人百分之百出事，那就真的没有人敢去了。即使是百分之一，已经是很高的危险率，一百个人里还有九十九个没事呢。就看自己勇气如何啦。
你们没有有人对摩洛哥感兴趣的？昨天看了一道摩洛哥菜的做法，除了中东北非惯常用的香料以外，还多了烤杏仁，大杏脯和葡萄干，登时大起好感。又想到卡萨布兰卡，蒙地卡洛，有去书店翻翻的冲动。有人去过吗？

tiffany · Post by **tiffany** » 2006-08-21 8:10

Harlem is not part of Bronx? still belongs to manhattan?

saved him like 1 hr of commute time.

Jun · Post by **Jun** » 2006-08-21 8:22

I have to hand it to this guy. I think he is a lot more COOL than JFK. Such a man deserves not to be wasted on one woman.

Knowing · Post by **Knowing** » 2006-08-21 8:25

我服了你小白。住了那么多年你一次哈林区都没去过吧？哈林当然是曼哈顿岛的一部分，布朗士跟曼哈顿隔着一条河

silkworm · Post by **silkworm** » 2006-08-21 8:31

森林的火焰 wrote:你们没有有人对摩洛哥感兴趣的？昨天看了一道摩洛哥菜的做法，除了中东北非惯常用的香料以外，还多了烤杏仁，大杏脯和葡萄干，登时大起好感。又想到卡萨布兰卡，蒙地卡洛，有去书店翻翻的冲动。有人去过吗？

嗯嗯，我也很感兴趣。

春天的时候，在医院里碰到一个做housekeeping的纯朴小伙子，就是摩洛哥来的。我很惭愧地发现，有关摩洛哥，除了卡萨布兰卡，我只知道某些摩洛哥菜很好吃，比如鸡肉做的炖菜，比如搀葡萄干杏子干的小米饭。但是这就让那小伙子很激动了，热情地邀请我去他家做客，他家有很大的房子，他妈妈做菜好吃得要命。

tiffany · Post by **tiffany** » 2006-08-21 8:36

Knowing wrote: 我服了你小白。住了那么多年你一次哈林区都没去过吧？哈林当然是曼哈顿岛的一部分，布朗士跟曼哈顿隔着一条河

我跟你说我很土，你偏不信。

Jun · Post by **Jun** » 2006-08-21 8:40

Actually I had at one time considered both Morocco and Turkey at the same time, but a couple of sources told me that Turkey is much more interesting and tourist-friendly than modern Morocco.

Really I need to haul my ass to St. Petersberg next year before I tackle any elaborate (and more expensive) plans.

Knowing · Post by **Knowing** » 2006-08-21 8:41

切，你是表示自己很高贵，不肖去哈林，专门去联合广场革命书店这样的时髦区。
我最狂野的梦想就是住gramercy park 边上的townhouse 里，又没有游客又漂亮，周围好餐馆又多，星期天早上可以散步去联合广场的农民市场买菜。

tiffany · Post by **tiffany** » 2006-08-21 8:49

哈林现在多hip啊！白土人赞叹说。
小k你那个梦想百万富翁好像都不太那么容易实现吧？

Knowing · Post by **Knowing** » 2006-08-21 8:57

所以是最狂野的梦想嘛。

哈林还是挺可怕的。前几个礼拜我跟弯蜜去康州吃个饭，回来的时候九点多，要去个七十多街的派对，我没过脑子就说在哈林下火车叫出租吧。他也没反对。等我们下来出了车站，等了十分钟没空出租车，我开始有点胆怯了。拉着弯蜜的粗胳膊，问：对面那些晃来晃去好像在摆地摊的人都是在干吗啊？弯蜜住在西班牙哈林，胆子比我当然壮些，安慰我说：那是卖垃圾的。我问什么是卖垃圾的？他说他们从垃圾箱里检出东西来卖。我问检什么卖？谁买垃圾？自己检不是更省钱么？弯蜜老实说：衣服什么的，其实也不一定是垃圾箱里检的，很多是偷的. 我特别想过去看一眼，但是胆怯战胜了好奇....

CAVA · Post by **CAVA** » 2006-08-21 10:05

又想到卡萨布兰卡，蒙地卡洛，有去书店翻翻的冲动。有人去过吗？

这个这个，蒙地卡洛是在摩纳哥吧