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Post by 火星狗 » 2007-12-04 11:25

昨天试验室新年晚会,老板赏饭,大家捧场。

地点选在某意大利馆子里面。按试验室中国同事的看法,appetizer很好,正餐没有存在的价值。当然这些都是对西餐有偏见的人。

头盘里面有chips和sauce,chip是深棕色的,看去有点像古早年间吃过的红薯片。蘸的sauce被大家一致公认为很棒。看上去像cheese烩菠菜,但是cheese味道淡到几乎没有,然后一位美食家品尝出来里面的主料是蟹肉。

还有一道salmon,很……粉红。我立刻想起前不久关于鱼生的讨论,脑中警铃大作。一尝之下,却发现是烟薰过的。配料里有一小碟像植物种籽的东西,很像油淋过的青花椒,当然更像是胡椒。不过不可能是胡椒吧?看到有位同事在一片salmon上加了十几粒,一口吞下去,安然无恙。

老板训话之后,终于落座开吃。先是salad。昏暗的灯光下,看到salad的顶上有几片粉红色的小东西,以为又是salmon,再一尝,是非常清甜的小橘子瓣。里面的cheese很好吃,一入口全是cheese那种浓郁的dairy香气,最后的回味才有令部分人士反感的可以形容为上帝之足的味道,当然这已经足够让大部分人一口接一口吃下去。配料里还有新鲜核桃和一粒粒的小黑点(poppy seed?)。酱汁稀薄到几乎没有,不过正好让cheese的浓味完全发挥出来。

大概是与会人士太多,为了避免点菜的混乱,所有的人被强迫归类,你是牛还是鸡?我点了牛排。五分熟,很厚的一块,高达至少一英寸半,大概是为了让juicy的部分尽可能多。浇的汁很浓厚,。完全没有放盐和胡椒的必要,美国南方人民放起盐来常常比全国人民手重。我喜欢的是配菜的土豆泥,加了碎cheese,而且是出锅以后加的,可以分明的感觉到土豆泥里面的一小点又一小点。

甜点我选了brownie加ice cream。我更prefer欧洲风味,不过二选一的另一个选项是我更不喜欢的pie。这块brownie嘛,当然很甜,这世上大概还从来没有过不甜的brownie。不过作为一个甜牙齿人士,只要甜点里放的糖没到标准recipe的两倍,那就还可以接受。何况这块brownie的巧克力味够厚够重,ice cream的香草味也足够浓。同桌的男同事照例摆出一幅“甜点有什么意思”的死相,我在他们鄙夷的目光中消灭了整个dish,抱着圆滚滚的肚子回了家。

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Post by Jun » 2007-12-04 11:32

None of these dishes seem to have anything to do with Italian cooking ...

I think 很像油淋过的青花椒,当然更像是胡椒 are probably capers.
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Post by tiffany » 2007-12-04 11:34

烟熏三文鱼,啊,我最爱那个了。
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Post by CAVA » 2007-12-04 11:37

如果是又咸又酸,不那么脆,应该是capers。

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Post by Knowing » 2007-12-04 11:38

我喜欢crab dip. 烟熏三文鱼我不是最喜欢,还是喜欢SMOKE TROUT
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Post by CAVA » 2007-12-04 11:43

不是要扫兴啊,说实在的,我见过的意大利菜里是不大有三文鱼,薯片,土豆泥的,大概因为我专喜欢往小馆子去,他们不大能接受外国传来的新鲜事物。

我也喜欢烟三文鱼。其实所有生鱼烟鱼我都喜欢。

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Post by 火星狗 » 2007-12-04 11:47

Salad里面的核桃大概勉强算意大利风味。 :-D 这种馆子也就是挂个意大利的牌子罢了。

那个小橘子吓了我一跳,从来没在salad里面看到过橘子,不过说实话,不太搭。

比较可恨的是,我从没在超市买到过这样甜的橘子。

我也喜欢smoked salmon。

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Post by 豪情 » 2007-12-04 12:01

一粒粒的小黑点
多半是胡椒. 放核桃是意大利风味么? 没见过. 倒是在巴黎吃到过. 但也不肯定是法国风味.
鉴定这是家道地美国餐馆.

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Post by 森林的火焰 » 2007-12-04 12:26

烟熏三文鱼是苏格兰的最好,如果是野生的,啧啧,那价钱 :lol:
capers应该比胡椒粒大很多吧?即使胡椒是整粒的。
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Post by 豪情 » 2007-12-04 12:31

烟熏三文鱼是苏格兰的最好,如果是野生的,啧啧,那价钱
为什么? 我觉得ALASKA的就很好. COSTCO卖的野生SOCK EYE, 10 块钱一磅.

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Post by tiffany » 2007-12-04 12:34

对于我来说,烟熏三文鱼就好像劈叉饼,when it is good, it is really good; when it is bad, it is still pretty good,抄袭无敌爱论的说法。
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Post by CAVA » 2007-12-04 12:50

豪情 wrote:放核桃是意大利风味么? 没见过. 倒是在巴黎吃到过. 但也不肯定是法国风味.
在法国中部和南部会在沙拉里吃到核桃,常和蓝奶酪配。经常看到核桃树的。不过很多国家都产核桃吧?

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Post by 森林的火焰 » 2007-12-04 12:54

苏格兰的野生三文鱼可不止十块一磅。忘了在哪里看的, Harrold's有卖真正野生手作烟熏三文鱼,200克400多港币。虽然我觉得普通店里的,如果不是那么咸,是挺好吃的。不知道顶级的到底有多好吃,有机会要试试。
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Post by silkworm » 2007-12-04 13:04

到了年底,搓饭的季节。系里的potluck也在登记菜式了。

我们实验室的人周四要出去吃饭,议来议去,要照顾素食的,荤食的,怀孕的,喂奶的,最后决定去北方印度馆子吃包肥。我赶紧把JUN早先那个帖子翻出来,预习paratha,naan,samosa……

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Post by CAVA » 2007-12-04 13:10

被你们一提醒发现我失策了,最近努力争取年底之前不要出差,其实12月到瑞典去会有可能被请去吃julbord,那可是一望无际的salmon, herring和ham啊,怎么也得有几十种不同味道和做法。

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Post by tiffany » 2007-12-04 13:13

一望无际!这形容的我谗死了。
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Post by CAVA » 2007-12-04 13:22

找到瑞典一旅馆的julbord照片,这估计是冷肉部分,最右边的应该是熏鹿肉。然后再很多几桌其它的。

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Post by 火星狗 » 2007-12-04 13:25

火星狗你们实验室有多少人哪?竟然大到要归类的程度。
二十来口,不过昨天大家都带家属,又有和老板要好的教授来吃他,来了大概50号人。
对于我来说,烟熏三文鱼就好像劈叉饼,when it is good, it is really good; when it is bad, it is still pretty good
有两种劈叉我死也不爱。纯cheese的,还有cheese加salami的。当年我们系里开seminar,秘书专订这两种,坚持了好几年。直到我离开学校,才不用受这种折磨。
最后决定去北方印度馆子吃包肥
祝肥! :lol: :lol: 说正经的,我羡慕你们老板的包容度,我们老板死忠美国口味。
那可是一望无际的salmon, herring和ham
我心胸宽广的说,别忘了写游记。 :-)

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Post by CAVA » 2007-12-04 13:28

这个圣诞节没指望吃它了,明天被揪去丹麦开会,然后今年的行程就结束了。(touch wood)。

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Post by silkworm » 2007-12-04 13:29

我以前不说过么,我老板是老左派老嬉皮(后面这个他大概不会承认哈),他以自己能吃乱七八糟的东西而吓唬到美国同胞为荣。比如狂吃越南辣椒,然后suffer on both ends,比如拿蚕沙泡水喝……

我们实验室吃饭,他从来都是按主客的国家定,中国,印度,泰国,韩国,日本…这次我们想,要吃俄国菜了?结果俄罗斯美女说本市没有俄国馆子。遂作罢。

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Post by tiffany » 2007-12-04 13:33

蚕沙泡水,那不是喝蚕儿的shit么? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Post by Knowing » 2007-12-04 13:35

谗死我了。我饮食习惯里最不健康的弱点就是爱吃熏的腌的东西。
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Post by silkworm » 2007-12-04 13:36

是啊。绿茵茵的一杯。
还问我:是不是忒中国啊?有健康疗效。
我哼哼哈哈,不知他看了哪本不靠谱的书?!

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Post by tiffany » 2007-12-04 13:39

太健康了比较容易了无生趣。
说起来,昨天看新闻上说现在好多人都在进行有机/纯天然的购买,上新闻自述不要化学品。我就很奇怪,所有的东西都是化学品,包括纯天然有机的东西,但凡加工提纯过的东西,都经过过有机溶剂,有那么那个啥么?
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Post by 火星狗 » 2007-12-04 13:45

那照片里还有个大猪头帮助客人开胃。
suffer on both ends
我猜这是蚕的私家翻译。 :lol: :lol:
所有的东西都是化学品
can't agree more,每当有人讨论纯天然食品/化妆品,我就在肚子里面重复一次这句话。

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Post by silkworm » 2007-12-04 13:54

不不,这是他的原话。我还挺欣赏的,经常拿来用用。

我个人对有机食品很不感冒。

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Post by 火星狗 » 2007-12-04 13:58

哇,我本来还想哪有那么精确的对译。

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Post by tiffany » 2007-12-04 14:02

当然栏里催肥的鸡应该是不如自己刨小虫儿长大的鸡有味道了。
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Post by Knowing » 2007-12-04 14:32

嗯,有机本身不保证好吃。但是有机(尤其走地)鸡长的慢,不是催肥的,就好吃些。有机蔬菜也一样。
我已经很潮的从有机发展到本地。吃了半年本地有机蔬菜,觉得的确好吃些,菜有菜味。明显的是西红柿,大多数现代品种杂交过,皮厚方便长途运输,老种的多数皮薄。另外本地西红柿是熟了才摘,比青着摘下来捂红的超市西红柿味道足的多。一个夏天下来吃刁了,连WHOLEFOODS 里的西红柿也嫌不好吃了。生菜也特别明显,当天砍下来的汁多甜脆,搁冰箱里过几天就没那么好吃。
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Post by tiffany » 2007-12-04 14:39

我现在觉得应季的蔬菜水果好吃,就算是超市的也是。最近买的苹果明显味道足。连枝儿的所谓日本西红柿比一般西红柿有味道,总的来讲,我对拆拿堂的蔬菜供应还是比较满意的。
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Post by CAVA » 2007-12-07 16:05

昨天吃了传统的丹麦圣诞菜。烤猪肉的皮极松脆,可以咬到细碎的海盐粒,薄薄一层肥肉后是紧而香的瘦肉,味略淡,几种质感和咸淡交错组合,很是美味。两块烤鸭也入味,配小小的烤苹果,酸甜适当的红卷心菜丝和大干李子,还有焦烤土豆。

这可算是我吃过最好的圣诞食品。丹麦本就以农牧产品出名,猪肉本味好是自然的,难得大家坚持传统,不被所谓健康潮流左右,没有将私底下被公认为最佳部分的猪皮摒弃。

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Post by karen » 2007-12-07 16:09

烤猪肉的皮极松脆,可以咬到细碎的海盐粒,薄薄一层肥肉后是紧而香的瘦肉,味略淡,几种质感和咸淡交错组合,很是美味。
太腐败了! :-D

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Post by CAVA » 2007-12-07 16:14

难得吃顿好的嘛 :mrgreen:

Copenhagen Tivoli Gardens的圣诞市场很可爱:

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Post by karen » 2007-12-07 16:38

你哪是难得吃趟好的,我酸溜溜得说。
我真想起圣诞市场买个精致的木头玩具,再喝杯热酒,一个下午就那么打发了。 :-D

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Post by Jun » 2007-12-07 17:56

太腐败了。

我们这儿最近冻死了。还没好吃的。
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Post by DeBeers » 2007-12-07 20:31

Knowing wrote:嗯,有机本身不保证好吃。但是有机(尤其走地)鸡长的慢,不是催肥的,就好吃些。有机蔬菜也一样。
我已经很潮的从有机发展到本地。吃了半年本地有机蔬菜,觉得的确好吃些,菜有菜味。明显的是西红柿,大多数现代品种杂交过,皮厚方便长途运输,老种的多数皮薄。另外本地西红柿是熟了才摘,比青着摘下来捂红的超市西红柿味道足的多。一个夏天下来吃刁了,连WHOLEFOODS 里的西红柿也嫌不好吃了。
yeah, once I bought tomatoes at farmer's market, not organic, but the taste was soooooooooo good, even Shuangshuang ate her whole share (she usually hates tomatoes) and asked for more the next week :-P
Among organic veges, potato tastes much better than non-organic ones. Tomato is not that different.
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Post by 火星狗 » 2007-12-09 7:21

丹麦本就以农牧产品出名,猪肉本味好是自然的
以后到欧洲去吃好猪肉。 :cool023:

我知道这样不对,不过我还是要发泄一下,资本主义+清教徒,美国太闷啦啦啦啦……

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Post by CAVA » 2007-12-09 9:15

那还是回国吃烤乳猪来得直截了当。并且您上星期还说您喜欢美国呢。 :lol:

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Post by 森林的火焰 » 2007-12-09 11:32

如果共和党 那个摩门教真当了总统火星狗就要怀念清教徒的好日子了 :mrgreen:
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Post by 火星狗 » 2007-12-10 11:15

看到超市冷冻猪肉顿时把美国的好处全忘了, :f21: ing

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Post by Knowing » 2008-01-02 9:42

MMD, 农业落后有落后的好处啊。我在加纳天天吃的街上的米饭加猪肉和山羊肉,就是一种做法,一锅西红柿为底料的调料里炖,肉块上直接就是皮--都没肥膘--,怎么吃怎么香,我吃了俩礼拜都没腻。
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Post by karen » 2008-01-02 10:05

这假日我终于把Michel Pollan的Omnivore's Dilemma看了。 书看到一半时简直郁闷得不想吃饭更不想去超市买东西,更觉得Whole Foods卖的高价有机食物是欺骗顾客的感情。 其实很早就知道工业化养牛养鸡养猪是残酷的,但现在才知道这工业有多脏多恶心却还被政府保护得好好的。 有机食物被工业化用了conventional流水线运输网络后跟当初的意图差得一天一地, 食物跟无机的没啥差别。 :? 唯一的出路就是多在农贸市场买菜,到当地的小农场买肉。
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Post by putaopi » 2008-01-02 15:52

火星狗 wrote:Salad里面的核桃大概勉强算意大利风味。 :-D 这种馆子也就是挂个意大利的牌子罢了。

那个小橘子吓了我一跳,从来没在salad里面看到过橘子,不过说实话,不太搭。

比较可恨的是,我从没在超市买到过这样甜的橘子。

我也喜欢smoked salmon。
这个橘子是不是罐头橘子啊? 沙拉里放橘子和蓝莓干葡萄干儿之类的很好吃。

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Post by putaopi » 2008-01-02 15:55

Knowing wrote:嗯,有机本身不保证好吃。但是有机(尤其走地)鸡长的慢,不是催肥的,就好吃些。有机蔬菜也一样。
我已经很潮的从有机发展到本地。吃了半年本地有机蔬菜,觉得的确好吃些,菜有菜味。明显的是西红柿,大多数现代品种杂交过,皮厚方便长途运输,老种的多数皮薄。另外本地西红柿是熟了才摘,比青着摘下来捂红的超市西红柿味道足的多。一个夏天下来吃刁了,连WHOLEFOODS 里的西红柿也嫌不好吃了。生菜也特别明显,当天砍下来的汁多甜脆,搁冰箱里过几天就没那么好吃。
前不久<Newsweek>或者< Time>上有篇文章,比较organic和local food,据说whole food的老板也说自己会选择local, because it simply tastes better.

当然,要是住在加州,还是可以选择local organic的。

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Post by karen » 2008-01-02 17:54

对,要是找得到,当然买当地的最好了。 只是大多数人住在大城市里,除了可在农贸市场买当地的蔬菜水果以外,卖肉的local farms不好找啊。 超市里的有机食物都是industrial organic, 大型农场养的。 我抄一段书里的话给你看. 作者去Whole Foods买了有机的鸡Rosie,
I aslo visited Rosie the organic chicken at her farm in Petaluma, which turns out to be more animal factory than farm. She lives in a shed with twenty thousand other Rosies, who, aside from their certified organic feed, live lives little different from that of any other industrial chicken. Ah, but what about the "free-range" lifestyle promised on the label? True, there's a little door in the shed leading out to a narrow grassy yard. But the free-range story seems a bit of a stretch when you discover that the door remains firmly shut until the birds are at least five or six weeks old -- for fear they'll catch something outside -- and the chickens are slaughters only two weeks later.


The last stop on my tour of California industrial organic farming took me to Petaluma, where I tried without success to find the picturesque farmstead, with its red barn, cornfield, and farmhouse, depicted on the package in which the organic roasting chicken I bought at Whole Foods has been wrapped; nor could I find Rosie herself, at least not outdoors, ranging freely.
...processing, on different days of the week, chickens for the kosher, Asian, natural, and organic markets. Each required a slightly different protocol: to process a kosher bird you needed a rabbi on hand; for an Asian bird you left the head and feet on; for the natural market you sold the same bird minus head and feet, but played up the fact that Rocky, as this product was called, received no antibiotics or animal by-products in its feed, and you provided a little exercise yard outside the shed so Rocky could, at his option, range free. And to call a bird organic, you followed the natural protocol except that you also fed it certified organic feed and you processed the bird slightly younger and smaller, so it wouldn't seem quite so expensive.
Rosie the organic chicken's life is little different from that of her kosher and Asian cousins, all of whom are conventional Cornish Cross broilers processed according to state-of-the-art industrial practice. The Cornish Cross represents the pinnacle of industrial chicken breeding. It is the most efficient converter of corn into breast meat ever designed, though this efficiency comes at a high physiological price: The birds grow so rapidly (reaching oven-roaster proportions in seven weeks) that their poor legs cannot keep pace, and frequently fail.
The chicen houses don't resemble a farm so much as a military barracks: a dozen long, low-slung sheds with giant fans at either end. I donned what looked like a hooded white hazmat suit - since the birds receive no antibiotics yet live in close confinement, the company is ever worried about infection, which could doom a whole house overnight - and stepped inside. Twenty thousand birds moved away from me as one, like a ground-hugging white cloud, clucking softly. The air was warm and humid and smlled powerfully of ammonia; the fumes caught in my thraot. Twenty tousand is a lot of chickens, and they formed a gently undulating white carpet that stretched nearly the lenth of a football field.
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Running along the entire length of each shed was a grassy yard maybe fifteen feet wide, not nearly big enough accommodate all twenty thousand birds inside should the group ever decide to take the air en masse. Which, truth be told, is the last thing the farm managers want to see happen, since these defenseless, crowded, and gentically identical birds are exquisitely vulnerable to infection. This is one of the larger ironies of growing organic food in an industrial system: It is even more precarious than a conventional system. But the federal rules say an organic chicken should have "access to the outdoors," so Petaluma Poultry provides the doors and the yard and everyone keeps their fingers crossed.

It would appear Petaluma's farm managers have nothing to worry about. Since the food and water and flock remain inside the shed, and since the little doors remain shut until the birds are at least five weeks old and well settled in their habits, the chickens apparently see no reason to venture out into what must seem to them an unfamiliar and terrifying world. Since the birds are slaughtered at seven weeks, free range turns out to be not so much a lifestyle for these chickens as a two-week vacation option.[/quote]
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Post by 火星狗 » 2008-01-02 18:18

这种文章看多了我上超市会有心理障碍的 :hum:

好吧,至少我没栽在organic上。

随着时代的发展,free-ranged这种落后又低效率的生活方式渐渐被淘汰了。自己养自己吃也许?
这个橘子是不是罐头橘子啊?
是罐头橘子,因为比平时吃到的超市橘子甜很多。我对这边的新鲜橘子还是很有偏见的。
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Post by karen » 2008-01-02 19:04

吃总是要吃的嘛,顶多郁闷两天,然后该吃啥吃啥。但我觉得做个informed的顾客总是好,至少现在我知道超市的有机食物大概的来处和处理,省得被whole foods天花乱坠的广告骗了。
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Post by DeBeers » 2008-01-03 18:12

free-range 和cage-free是不一样的,free-range属于定时放风,空间有限,cage-free才是放养的 :wink:
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