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[分享]It’s Not You, It’s Your Books

Post by karen » 2008-04-03 9:58

上个周末看到这篇文章后就想到Jun, 我们的书虫-in-residence. :-D 也让我想起多年前有粒朋友刚开始学法文时到哪儿都拎着本Camus的L'Etranger, 就跟这图片里这粒男士一样。

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March 30, 2008
Essay
It’s Not You, It’s Your Books
By RACHEL DONADIO
Some years ago, I was awakened early one morning by a phone call from a friend. She had just broken up with a boyfriend she still loved and was desperate to justify her decision. “Can you believe it!” she shouted into the phone. “He hadn’t even heard of Pushkin!”

We’ve all been there. Or some of us have. Anyone who cares about books has at some point confronted the Pushkin problem: when a missed ― or misguided ― literary reference makes it chillingly clear that a romance is going nowhere fast. At least since Dante’s Paolo and Francesca fell in love over tales of Lancelot, literary taste has been a good shorthand for gauging compatibility. These days, thanks to social networking sites like Facebook and MySpace, listing your favorite books and authors is a crucial, if risky, part of self-branding. When it comes to online dating, even casual references can turn into deal breakers. Sussing out a date’s taste in books is “actually a pretty good way ― as a sort of first pass ― of getting a sense of someone,” said Anna Fels, a Manhattan psychiatrist and the author of “Necessary Dreams: Ambition in Women’s Changing Lives.” “It’s a bit of a Rorschach test.” To Fels (who happens to be married to the literary publisher and writer James Atlas), reading habits can be a rough indicator of other qualities. “It tells something about ... their level of intellectual curiosity, what their style is,” Fels said. “It speaks to class, educational level.”

Pity the would-be Romeo who earnestly confesses middlebrow tastes: sometimes, it’s the Howard Roark problem as much as the Pushkin one. “I did have to break up with one guy because he was very keen on Ayn Rand,” said Laura Miller, a book critic for Salon. “He was sweet and incredibly decent despite all the grandiosely heartless ‘philosophy’ he espoused, but it wasn’t even the ideology that did it. I just thought Rand was a hilariously bad writer, and past a certain point I couldn’t hide my amusement.” (Members of theatlasphere.com, a dating and fan site for devotees of “Atlas Shrugged” and “The Fountainhead,” might disagree.)

Judy Heiblum, a literary agent at Sterling Lord Literistic, shudders at the memory of some attempted date-talk about Robert Pirsig’s 1974 cult classic “Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance,” beloved of searching young men. “When a guy tells me it changed his life, I wish he’d saved us both the embarrassment,” Heiblum said, adding that “life-changing experiences” are a “tedious conversational topic at best.”

Let’s face it ― this may be a gender issue. Brainy women are probably more sensitive to literary deal breakers than are brainy men. (Rare is the guy who’d throw a pretty girl out of bed for revealing her imperfect taste in books.) After all, women read more, especially when it comes to fiction. “It’s really great if you find a guy that reads, period,” said Beverly West, an author of “Bibliotherapy: The Girl’s Guide to Books for Every Phase of Our Lives.” Jessa Crispin, a blogger at the literary site Bookslut.com, agrees. “Most of my friends and men in my life are nonreaders,” she said, but “now that you mention it, if I went over to a man’s house and there were those books about life’s lessons learned from dogs, I would probably keep my clothes on.” Still, to some reading men, literary taste does matter. “I’ve broken up with girls saying, ‘She doesn’t read, we had nothing to talk about,’” said Christian Lorentzen, an editor at Harper’s. Lorentzen recalls giving one girlfriend Nabokov’s “Ada” ― since it’s “funny and long and very heterosexual, even though I guess incest is at its core.” The relationship didn’t last, but now, he added, “I think it’s on her Friendster profile as her favorite book.”


James Collins, whose new novel, “Beginner’s Greek,” is about a man who falls for a woman he sees reading “The Magic Mountain” on a plane, recalled that after college, he was “infatuated” with a woman who had a copy of “The Unbearable Lightness of Being” on her bedside table. “I basically knew nothing about Kundera, but I remember thinking, ‘Uh-oh; trendy, bogus metaphysics, sex involving a bowler hat,’ and I never did think about the person the same way (and nothing ever happened),” he wrote in an e-mail message. “I know there were occasions when I just wrote people off completely because of what they were reading long before it ever got near the point of falling in or out of love: Baudrillard (way too pretentious), John Irving (way too middlebrow), Virginia Woolf (way too Virginia Woolf).” Come to think of it, Collins added, “I do know people who almost broke up” over “The Corrections” by Jonathan Franzen: “‘Overrated!’ ‘Brilliant!’ ‘Overrated!’ ‘Brilliant!’” Naming a favorite book or author can be fraught. Go too low, and you risk looking dumb. Go too high, and you risk looking like a bore ― or a phony. “Manhattan dating is a highly competitive, ruthlessly selective sport,” Augusten Burroughs, the author of “Running With Scissors” and other vivid memoirs, said. “Generally, if a guy had read a book in the last year, or ever, that was good enough.” The author recalled a date with one Michael, a “robust blond from Germany.” As he walked to meet him outside Dean & DeLuca, “I saw, to my horror, an artfully worn, older-than-me copy of ‘Proust’ by Samuel Beckett.” That, Burroughs claims, was a deal breaker. “If there existed a more hackneyed, achingly obvious method of telegraphing one’s education, literary standards and general intelligence, I couldn’t imagine it.”

But how much of all this agonizing is really about the books? Often, divergent literary taste is a shorthand for other problems or defenses. “I had a boyfriend I was crazy about, and it didn’t work out,” Nora Ephron said. “Twenty-five years later he accused me of not having laughed while reading ‘Candy’ by Terry Southern. This was not the reason it didn’t work out, I promise you.” Sloane Crosley, a publicist at Vintage/Anchor Books and the author of “I Was Told There’d Be Cake,” essays about single life in New York, put it this way: “If you’re a person who loves Alice Munro and you’re going out with someone whose favorite book is ‘The Da Vinci Code,’ perhaps the flags of incompatibility were there prior to the big reveal.”

Some people just prefer to compartmentalize. “As a writer, the last thing I want in my personal life is somebody who is overly focused on the whole literary world in general,” said Ariel Levy, the author of “Female Chauvinist Pigs” and a contributing writer at The New Yorker. Her partner, a green-building consultant, “doesn’t like to read,” Levy said. When she wants to talk about books, she goes to her book group. Compatibility in reading taste is a “luxury” and kind of irrelevant, Levy said. The goal, she added, is “to find somebody where your perversions match and who you can stand.”

Marco Roth, an editor at the magazine n+1, said: “I think sometimes it’s better if books are just books. It’s part of the romantic tragedy of our age that our partners must be seen as compatible on every level.” Besides, he added, “sometimes people can end up liking the same things for vastly different reasons, and they build up these whole private fantasy lives around the meaning of these supposedly shared books, only to discover, too late, that the other person had a different fantasy completely.” After all, a couple may love “The Portrait of a Lady,” but if one half identifies with Gilbert Osmond and the other with Isabel Archer, they may have radically different ideas about the relationship.

For most people, love conquers literary taste. “Most of my friends are indeed quite shallow, but not so shallow as to break up with someone over a literary difference,” said Ben Karlin, a former executive producer of “The Daily Show” and the editor of the new anthology “Things I’ve Learned From Women Who’ve Dumped Me.” “If that person slept with the novelist in question, that would probably be a deal breaker ― more than, ‘I don’t like Don DeLillo, therefore we’re not dating anymore.’”

Rachel Donadio is a writer and editor at the Book Review.
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Post by Jun » 2008-04-03 10:08

Thanks. :mrgreen:

In my younger years I dated a few men who do not read (there seem to be more of them in LA than in DC). It took me a while to realize this endeavor was totally a waste of time. No, I'm not knocking people who don't read, but only saying that a person cannot fight who they in the mating game. It is simply not possible for me to be with a person who is a conservative or who does not read. But I'm not picky about what they read as long as they read more than underwear models' photographs.
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Post by CAVA » 2008-04-03 10:10

这张图片太好玩了,联想起中学物理课的教科书,好象是光波折射?

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Post by CAVA » 2008-04-03 10:27

I think sometimes it’s better if books are just books. It’s part of the romantic tragedy of our age that our partners must be seen as compatible on every level
我比较同意这句。谈书可以找书友,谈时尚可以找女朋友,单纯因为读什么或不读什么而鉴定一个人,好象比较偏颇。想当年亦舒还拿红楼梦当标签给自己和别人插啊插呢,至今流毒未散吧。

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Post by Jun » 2008-04-03 10:29

What a person reads says a lot about the person. There is certainly room to be open-minded, but there are also obvious signs of "NO WAY IN HELL."
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Post by CAVA » 2008-04-03 10:37

Depending on the recipient, it does matter, varying from something to a lot, but not everything. 一"书"不合就否定一个人, 不合适吧.

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Post by 火星狗 » 2008-04-03 10:50

为啥看到 L'Etranger 就会眼睛发亮?这些眼睛发亮的姑娘们中,有多少认真阅读并衷心喜爱 L'Etranger ?

如果有人送我纳博科夫的书,我会哭的。 :mrgreen:

对于爱看书又常看书的人来讲,书是人生中很重要的一部份。很多人大概都会觉得 We are what we read。然后会很自然的把这种思路应用在别人身上,用阅读趣味来迅速判断对方的人生观世界观。我猜他们已经习惯这种 judge 人的思维方式,大概大脑里已经形成固定神经回路了。 :preston_collar:
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Post by 幻儿 » 2008-04-03 10:50

Yeah, he has to read, but I would like him more if he reads something that I don't, so we can learn from each other.The same goes with occupation. I'd rather be with a man who has a different career.

Also, I think whether one reads or not is unlikely to change, but taste often varies with age and experience.

Another thing is music. I never really argued with a guy over the taste of books, but with music, yeah, a few times. To me it is fundamentally troublesome if somebody I care about thinks that Mozart is no better than rap; and it is also troublesome, although to a lesser degree, if he prefers Rachmoninoff over Tchaikovsky--I won't reject him because of that, but I would be waiting for him to change his preference impatiently. :roll:

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Post by silkworm » 2008-04-03 11:13

我怯生生地问,那不读书不听音乐(哪怕是rap)的人,会被你们列入“非人”一档吧?

CAVA,我要是能忝列您的“吃友”之流,就可以瞑目啦。 :f59:

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Post by CAVA » 2008-04-03 11:25

1,您不是早就是友了吗?前面的定语您看着加好了,都成。:mrgreen:

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Post by karen » 2008-04-03 11:25

为啥看到 L'Etranger 就会眼睛发亮?这些眼睛发亮的姑娘们中,有多少认真阅读并衷心喜爱 L'Etranger ?
我觉得这姑娘不是喜悦得眼睛发亮,而是不可置信得被雷到了,OMG,he is so lame。 :-D
L‘Etranger因为用词简单在美国被当课本用,是法文101的读书单。 这粒男士拿这本书标榜自己真是自欺欺人, 这小娘肯定是也会keep her clothes on.
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Post by CAVA » 2008-04-03 11:30

可以confirm的是,曾经一度,Unbearable lightness of being在国内确是标志性读物。

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Post by Jun » 2008-04-03 12:43

Suddenly realized I am a "book nazi." :cat74:
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Post by simonsun » 2008-04-03 12:59

这个东西采访来采访去,都是些editor啊publisher啊什么的,不以书取人才怪。我淘文艺D版碟的时候,还被碟店老板歧视过呢 :shock:
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Post by putaopi » 2008-04-03 13:04

幻儿 wrote:Yeah, he has to read, but I would like him more if he reads something that I don't, so we can learn from each other.The same goes with occupation. I'd rather be with a man who has a different career.
哈哈哈,跟我当初的想法一样 。结果呢,有好有坏。坏处是,结了婚才知道对方也有别的爱好。所以我强烈鼓励婚前同居。

好处呢,确实我也开始读些“他”的书,视野多少变得不同。
幻儿 wrote: Also, I think whether one reads or not is unlikely to change, but taste often varies with age and experience.

Another thing is music. I never really argued with a guy over the taste of books, but with music, yeah, a few times. To me it is fundamentally troublesome if somebody I care about thinks that Mozart is no better than rap; and it is also troublesome, although to a lesser degree, if he prefers Rachmoninoff over Tchaikovsky--I won't reject him because of that, but I would be waiting for him to change his preference impatiently. :roll:
这个嘛,也许你自己的taste也会变的。

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Post by 幻儿 » 2008-04-03 13:30

putaopi wrote:这个嘛,也许你自己的taste也会变的。
是啊,一直都在变。
我还一直都在努力喜欢至少appreciate rap music,可惜至今未遂。 :-(

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Post by ravaged » 2008-04-03 17:37

there's a finite (and small) number of books we can read in the rest of our lives... simply not worth it to care what anyone else thinks.

books are not deal breakers for me, but certain opinions are.
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Post by ravaged » 2008-04-03 17:52

and on a side note, this should totally be submitted to the stuffwhitepeoplelike blog! :mrgreen:

a related entry for your reading pleasure:
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#41 Indie Music

January 30, 2008 by clander

If you want to understand white people, you need to understand indie music. As mentioned before, white people hate anything that’s “mainstream” and are desperate to find things that are more genuine, unique, and reflective of their experiences.

Fortunately, they have independent music.

A white person’s iPod (formerly CD collection) is not merely an assemblage of music that they enjoy. It is what defines them as a person. They are always on the look out for the latest hot band that no one has heard of so that one day, they can hit it just right and be into a band BEFORE they are featured in an Apple commercial. To a white person, being a fan of a band before they get popular is one of the most important things they can do with their life. They can hold it over their friends forever!

Indie music also produces a lot of concerts, for which white people can attend and meet other white people. It’s especially useful, since they are attending the same concert, they both like the artist and can easily strike up a conversation that will flow from band at the show->other bands they like->where they went to/go to school->where to get the best vegan food in town->agreement to meet at said restaurant for awkward date.

It is worth noting that white people are expected to stay current with music and go to concerts well into their 40s. Unlike at dance or hip hop clubs, there are few stigmas attached to being the “old guy at the club.”

But BE WARNED, talking about Indie Music with white people is perhaps the most dangerous subject you touch upon. One false move and you will lose their respect and admiration forever. Here are some general rules

* Bands that have had their songs in an Apple ad are still marginally acceptable
* Bands that have had their songs in ads for other companies are not acceptable
* If you mention a band you like and the other person has heard of them, you lose. They own you. It is essential that you like the most obscure music possible.

Remember, popular artists can turn unpopular in a heartbeat (Ryan Adams, Bright Eyes, The Strokes), so you would be best to stick to the following statements: “I love the Arcade Fire,” “I still think the Montreal scene is the best in the world,” “I would die without Stereogum or Fluxblog“* and “Joanna Newsom is maybe the most original artist today.”

*-do not substitute Stereogum for Pitchfork, as this is one of those things that used to be cool, but is now not cool.
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Post by Jun » 2008-04-03 18:07

:mrgreen: :mrgreen:

让我想起上礼拜Jon Stewart 跟Larry Wilmore 搞的一段黑人白人对话,Larry 说,我们对你们有意见,其一是音乐,例如爵士乐,Miles Davis 啥啥的多好,给你们一搞就变成了Kenny G。
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Post by Knowing » 2008-04-03 18:12

This is hilarious!
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Post by ravaged » 2008-04-03 18:43

Now that happy moment between the time the lie is told and when it is found out.

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Post by tiffany » 2008-04-03 20:06

真搞笑,像我这样儿啥都看看的,现在啥书都不看的咋办呢?
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Post by simonsun » 2008-04-03 22:36

ravaged wrote:i absolutely love that blog.

http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.wordpress.c ... ople-like/
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Post by StarryNight » 2008-04-03 22:56

What Are You Reading? - Creative Book Covers
by Amy Gifford, April 01, 2008


Have you ever wondered what book the person next to is reading on the subway?

Wondering that very same thing is how the company FlapArt started. FlapArt creates hilarious book covers, with mock and hilarious titles, that fit around almost any book. These book covers are sure to be great conversation starters and also get you some interesting looks and hysterical laughs from onlookers.

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Can you think of any other creative titles that would be good for the company?


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Post by ravaged » 2008-04-04 9:23

that might draw stares and laughs but isn't it the worst conversation starter though? "why on earth would you be reading that?" "actually this is not a real book, it's a cover i paid money for so that people will think i'm funny."
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Post by 火星狗 » 2008-04-04 9:51

绝大多数人会选择默默的鄙视他一下,我觉得效率太低。

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Post by Knowing » 2008-04-04 13:22

嘻嘻我是典型的后知后觉型,什么东西不经信任的媒体或人推荐我是不肯浪费时间试的。所以无论等我发现什么都已经是大家都知道的了。
昨天在NPR上听到这人的歌挺逗的。声音好就是硬道理,随便闲扯都那么好听
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Post by simonsun » 2008-04-04 13:39

Knowing wrote:嘻嘻我是典型的后知后觉型,什么东西不经信任的媒体或人推荐我是不肯浪费时间试的。所以无论等我发现什么都已经是大家都知道的了。
昨天在NPR上听到这人的歌挺逗的。声音好就是硬道理,随便闲扯都那么好听
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Post by Knowing » 2008-04-04 13:48

Yeah I am trying to get tickets.
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Post by IF NOT » 2008-04-05 8:18

我很同意Brainy women are probably more sensitive to literary deal breakers than are brainy men.商业圈子里认识的那些男性,不管什么性格什么年龄,极少有谁看文学类的书籍。但是仅有的几个又各色的可怕,不知道是什么原因。

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Post by tiffany » 2008-04-08 8:05

Stuff White People Like examines the issue: Can you date someone who is not well read?

Yes:

Dating someone who is not as well read as you is a good idea since these type of people are more easily manipulated in terms of both actions and future tastes in books. The ability to entirely craft the literary tastes of your partner is highly desirable as it reinforces your own impeccable taste and allows you to play a literary version of Henry Higgins
No:

In social situations there is a good chance that an poorly read person will admit to not having read Nabokov beyond Lolita or that they are unfamiliar with Umberto Eco’s essays on reading. Of course, there is the off-chance that they might commit intellectual and social suicide by asking your friends if they “loved The Da Vinci Code as much I did?” This is extremely embarrassing and reflects poorly on them. Ultimately, their actions are more of a statement about you and your inability to date someone of adequate literary experience.
Final Call:

It is recommended that you date and then subsequently dump someone who is considered “poorly read,” simply for the story. It will show your commitment to the importance of books and reading. But beyond that singular experience it is unacceptable to seriously date anyone who has not read the right books.
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Post by karen » 2008-04-08 9:23

我觉得因为用书筛选人是b888shit。 :uhh: 一粒人书得越多应该越大度,心胸应该更宽,哪有越读越钻牛角尖越容不下他人的? 这么做的人是修行不够。
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Post by Knowing » 2008-04-08 13:20

It is easy to say that, but Karen would you ever date a teetotaler?
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Post by tiffany » 2008-04-08 13:24

the question is, is the guy in question hot enough.....
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Post by karen » 2008-04-08 15:55

Knowing wrote:It is easy to say that, but Karen would you ever date a teetotaler?
Nah, I don't ever have to make that call. I wouldn't have gone out with someone who abstinent from alcohol in the first place. :-D
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Post by Knowing » 2008-04-08 16:06

You just completely reject the person because he doesnt drink. Oh that's so not judgemental. :mrgreen:
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Post by karen » 2008-04-08 16:37

I am not being judgemental, in fact, I am sparing the other the party, should he inadvertently develope an attachment toward me during the time we would otherwise spend together, from ever having to experience the disagreeable circumstance of being rejected by a person he later would refer to as an alcoholic.

See, I am a very considerate and compassionate person. :mrgreen:
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Post by tiffany » 2008-05-01 9:19

今天这段儿太搞笑了。
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#97 Scarves

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White People’s body temperatures do not operate on logical or consistent levels, and because of this white people are often forced to wear clothing combinations that might seem strange or illogical. One popular example is the performance vest which solves the age old problem of cold chest hot arms. Another common combination is wearing shorts with a sweatshirt which helps bring about comfort when your upper body is chilly but your lower half is sweltering. But without a doubt, the one piece of clothing that helps to regular white body temperature in all situations is the scarf.

During winter months, it’s no surprise to find white people all bundled up with scarves around their neck - it just makes sense. But even as the weather warms up and the other layers start to fall off, the scarf remains.

It is not uncommon to see a white person in jeans, a sweater and a scarf. In fact, it’s not a rare occurance to see a white person in a t-shirt, jeans, and a scarf. Thats right. A thin cotton t-shirt paired with a scarf to enable maximum temperature control in bars and places with air conditioning

But not all white people wear the scarves for temperature reasons. A well made scarf can be an essential part of a white ensemble, allowing for all-important differentiation from other white people wearing the exact same clothes as them. Thus allowing them to picked out of the crowd for dating or mocking purposes

“I like the guy in the white American Apparel shirt with the glasses.”

“Which one? there are eight.”

“The guy with the keffiyeh.”

“Oh yeah, you’re right. He does look smarter and more political than the other guys. He’s clearly more sensitive to wind, so he’s probably more sensitive in general. You should totally date him.”

Along with making up a key part of the white wardrobe, scarves also function as a vital pillar of the white gift economy. Due to their relative ease of creation, many white people (especially women) like to knit scarves for friends and lovers. For this reason alone, if you find yourself needing a new scarf but not a long term relationship, dating a white woman might be the easiest and most cost effective solution.
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