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Post by karen » 2008-04-09 18:19

dropby wrote:
Knowing wrote:那扑上去打人轮椅姑娘的面目是丑恶了点。西方媒体都不好意思播了,就在CNN 的IREPORT 上有几张照片。
我是说我们的人,能不能有礼有节的。
不是不好意思,只是因为自个的报道都早就由立场决定了,所以播这种场面变成自打嘴巴了.否则这么好的新闻卖点,怎么舍得不播.
这张我在纽约时报上看见了,就快扑上了才被拉开。

巴黎警察模样也挺fit滴,好多还穿了roller blade, 笑得我。 :mrgreen:
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Post by pomo » 2008-04-09 18:49

啊,海外华人们掐起来了?是谁和谁啊?我觉得藏族人在美国的不会很多吧?
国内挺和谐的,除了我在网上看到海外华人愤青发帖子,基本上都看不到西藏的报道,而且据亲身在西藏的同事说,那段时间过了之后,他和藏族官员又开始称兄道弟一起喝酒,人家再也没有拿那种“想灭掉他又很克制”的迷离眼神观察他的要害。
我记得六四的时候,我虽然上初中,还是去游行了。

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Post by pomo » 2008-04-09 18:51

再说一句,估计国内物价飞涨股市狂跌,已经能够让大家都丧失自由意志了……拿金钱来腐蚀我吧,我保证乖乖的。

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Post by sikong » 2008-04-09 19:01

没掐没打,也就口水战,而且都很文明。
主要是,山姆老鹰比高卢鸡可是狡猾多了,大家光顾着找道儿怎么改的了,几个钟头很容易就蹭了过去。
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Post by Jun » 2008-04-09 19:05

没掐没打,也就口水战,而且都很文明。
多好,大家还打了照面。
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Post by 火星狗 » 2008-04-09 19:16

Knowing 没去太可惜了,在和平状态下近距离观察藏独的难得机会就这么失去了。 :mrgreen:

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Post by sikong » 2008-04-09 19:24

火星狗 wrote:Knowing 没去太可惜了,在和平状态下近距离观察藏独的难得机会就这么失去了。 :mrgreen:
就这些脖子上坐着自家娃的白白胖胖的老白们还藏独?顶多就是起哄的
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Post by Knowing » 2008-04-09 19:45

让小E 和小孙给讲讲藏独和你们都怎么口水站的?有技术含量么?还就是比谁声大?
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Post by 火星狗 » 2008-04-09 20:18

我觉得那种时刻十有八九是比嗓门,现场代表给说说?我也挺好奇的。

这次美国人真狡猾,大家都扑了个空,两边都没得罪,谁也没法说什么。不过我觉得还挺好,和稀泥的过去了。

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Post by putaopi » 2008-04-09 20:43

小E和孙同学辛苦了,多亏你们吸引了对手的注意力,才能掩护火炬手安全地逃走。 :mrgreen:

感情奥运会还没开,torch relay itself is becoming a competitive sport. 旧金山这么一折腾,大家的兴致就差不多到头了。

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Post by tiffany » 2008-04-09 21:08

社么扑上去打轮椅姑娘?我老木知木觉的问。
我附议小情,一直都是我们抗议别人,好容易轮到别人抗议我们了,进步,进步
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Post by Elysees » 2008-04-09 21:28

我这边没听到啥有技术含量的争论。我听得比较清楚到一起是酱
一个白人男青年说,中国把自由还给西藏云云。
然后我们这边一个男青年就讲了一小段历史,这个我没听清。
然后被白青年打断了
这男青年怒道,你去过西藏吗,你知道西藏在哪儿吗
白青年大声道,我没去过伊拉克,可是也知道我们应该解放(?)伊拉克人民。。。
众人顿时回头看他。
后来他们吵的什么我就没听清了,因为我们开始唱歌了。

白博,轮椅姑娘说的是这个

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Post by sikong » 2008-04-09 21:37

tiffany wrote:社么扑上去打轮椅姑娘?我老木知木觉的问。
我附议小情,一直都是我们抗议别人,好容易轮到别人抗议我们了,进步,进步
巴黎有藏独分子打那轮椅上的残疾火炬手并试图抢走火炬。
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Post by Knowing » 2008-04-09 21:42

白青年大声道,我没去过伊拉克,可是也知道我们应该解放(?)伊拉克人民。。。
他怎么这么逗啊!

不过外国人去西藏要专门申请的。我弯密和男朋友为云南玩签证的时候,中国大使馆的白痴签证官指着旅行社行程表里的中滇说:去西藏要特殊申请,不能给你签证,他愤怒的打电话来质问我:恩?你不是跟我说这是云南么?怎么又成西藏了? 我莫名其妙的说:中滇怎么是西藏。后来导游给发了份假行程表来,把中滇给抹了,就签出来了。
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Post by sinca » 2008-04-10 1:10

据说是有这个规定,但是执行起来一点也不严格。去年我在拉萨碰到的韩国和新西兰朋友,都没有特殊申请。我们一路上一起走的,也碰到有什么时候/地点需要特殊检查的。
那薄如蝉翼的未来,经不起谁来拆。

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Post by karen » 2008-04-10 7:21

sikong wrote:
tiffany wrote:社么扑上去打轮椅姑娘?我老木知木觉的问。
我附议小情,一直都是我们抗议别人,好容易轮到别人抗议我们了,进步,进步
巴黎有藏独分子打那轮椅上的残疾火炬手并试图抢走火炬。
呦,别说得那么煽情,谁打谁啦? 被警察拉开了,你看人家做轮椅的好端端的。
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Post by karen » 2008-04-10 7:23

白青年大声道,我没去过伊拉克,可是也知道我们应该解放(?)伊拉克人民。。。
这白人,真红脖子! 怎么三番还有红脖子的? 孙同学赶紧出来解释! :-D
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Post by 火星狗 » 2008-04-10 8:52

呦,别说得那么煽情,谁打谁啦? 被警察拉开了,你看人家做轮椅的好端端的。
这张没打到,但是小姑娘的确被打了。但是又但是,这是个案,我不觉得谁比谁更天性残暴,不也觉得谁比谁天性更爱好和平。从以前的描述看,既有群众“谴责”落单的藏独,也有藏独追打落单的留学生,所以大家一定要集体行动啊。卷到群众运动里面,更多的是冲动与身不由己,这也是我不喜欢群众运动的原因。

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Post by karen » 2008-04-10 9:05

还真是,那个谁不贴前面那个图,我还真不知道抢成这样。 西方媒体的确有偏见。
当然啦,我也是有偏见的, 不过仍然希望媒体没有。
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Post by 火星狗 » 2008-04-10 9:09

我对媒体大大的有偏见,嘿嘿。

反正左看一点,右看一点,自己拼凑事实真相呗。

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Post by Knowing » 2008-04-10 10:19

这粒进步青年面目好狰狞! :mrgreen: 对面的姑娘一脸"你口水溅我脸上了好恶心!"的表情。

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Post by karen » 2008-04-10 10:23

要是没啥立场的话,这些照片都挺逗的,表情都很卡通。 :-D
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Post by 火星狗 » 2008-04-10 10:27

我觉得对面姑娘的表情在说:我听不懂你在说什么。

我觉得这张照片特别搞
爱国群众通过太极表演支持北京奥运。一名藏独分子经过他们的面前。(旧金山纪事报)
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要是没啥立场的话,这些照片都挺逗的,表情都很卡通。 :-D
原来不是我一个人这么觉得。 :-D :-D

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Post by Knowing » 2008-04-10 10:31

还有东突厥斯坦支持者。我们怎么他们了啊? 知道的给说说。。我地理,历史都不好。。。

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Post by saveas » 2008-04-10 10:35

东突厥斯坦是个灰常之长的故事,这些个少数民族之间以及汉族之间,夸张一点说,那可是血海深仇挖。

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Post by Knowing » 2008-04-10 10:36

wiki 了一下,东突厥斯坦运动就是西域, 吐蕃, 准噶尔, 伊犁, 疆
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Post by sikong » 2008-04-10 11:14

karen wrote: 呦,别说得那么煽情,谁打谁啦? 被警察拉开了,你看人家做轮椅的好端端的。
有巴黎的网友叙述说不止一个民众先于警察扑上去打那个抢火炬打小女孩的人,然后警察才来的
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Post by 豪情 » 2008-04-10 11:22

这次网上的偏激民族主义言论也让我吃了一惊。中国人,包括海外华人,好像特别缺乏自信, 是不是感觉到某种身份焦虑,觉得被边缘化了,所以赶紧抓住这个机会对全世界宣布我是中国人?一个自信的民族,是不应该有这种反应的。
我觉得藏人向汉人/中国政府抗议,中国人仿佛在向全世界抗议。
也不用吃惊, 看多数西方媒体的一边倒的抓眼球, 评论员和各新闻网站后的跟贴对中国作为一个国家和中国人作为一个民族的偏激和仇恨, 我不觉得中国人更不自信. 各网站(无论国内外, 中文还是英文)的偏激, 平时多看看就习惯了. FREE SPEECH :lol: 推荐看看WWW.SFGATE.COM, SF CHRONICAL的网页, 好多人鼓吹重新实行排华法案呢.

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Post by Jun » 2008-04-10 11:33

推荐看看WWW.SFGATE.COM, SF CHRONICAL的网页, 好多人鼓吹重新实行排华法案呢.
三番这么恶劣的环境,小豪你赶快搬走那里! :mrgreen:
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Post by 豪情 » 2008-04-10 11:42

我有这么土么? 吵的凶正好看看热闹. 那些人都是赤裸裸的嫉妒.

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Post by putaopi » 2008-04-10 13:48

豪情 wrote:首先要抓眼球才能让人听见. 入乡随俗, 在这里就要用这里的游戏规则. 换个角度想, 在中国大家还没机会游行呢. 任何有组织的行为都是洪水猛兽. 现在是多好的练习机会.
我要MORAL EVENT去了. 回来再看报道.
您这Moral Event都是吃吃喝喝吗?

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Post by 豪情 » 2008-04-10 13:58

肯定没您的中饭吃喝的好.

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Post by putaopi » 2008-04-10 14:05

真的吗?吃得差如何能提高moral? 不过我中饭吃得不错倒是真的。 :lol:

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Post by orangetabby » 2008-04-10 17:25

I am hardly surprised but still ..........:BloodyK:


THE OLYMPIC TORCH IN S.F.
THE FIX: Pro-China crowds attempt to stifle dissenters

C.W. Nevius

Thursday, April 10, 2008

For all the talk of protests leading up to the Olympic torch relay, we didn't hear much from the supporters of China.

We learned why early on Wednesday morning. They planned to take over the event.

By 10 a.m. at AT&T Park, where the torch run was supposed to begin, it was obvious that the fix was in.

Thousands of supporters were already there, unloaded from dozens of buses parked across from the ball park. (One torch relay insider told me some in the crowd had been bused from as far away as Los Angeles.) During the day Chronicle reporters were told by some supporters that they had been bused into San Francisco from the South Bay, the East Bay and Sacramento by the Chinese Consulate and Chinese American groups.

They were waving thousands of huge, red Chinese flags or holding up identical, professional-looking placards that read "Beijing, 2008, torch relay."

The official word is that the torch route was drastically changed because of "public safety," but the crowd at AT&T Park was no threat to the runners. In fact, they broke into wild cheers when someone in a torchbearer's track suit walked down the street. But mayoral spokesman Nathan Ballard might have been closer to the truth when he said that the new route let people "enjoy the torch rather than political kabuki theater."

By 1 p.m., the appointed time for the torch runners to begin the relay, the crowd had grown even bigger. China supporters far outnumbered any human rights protesters, and anyone from the small pockets of "Free Tibet" protesters was quickly surrounded by the crowd and shouted down. When a Tibet supporter held up a sign, a Chinese supporter would sidle up, the wind would catch his flag, and it would obliterate the sign from the view of the cameras.

"We suspected that the Chinese government would want a public relations spectacle," said Kate Woznow, campaign coordinator for Students for a Free Tibet. "Something that they could broadcast back home."

Those inside the command center say city officials and Mayor Gavin Newsom watched the spectacle with growing concern. Although there was a brief scuffle with "Team Tibet" supporters around a bus early in the morning, the vast majority of the crowd was flag-waving China supporters. Sending the torch down those streets would have been like providing the Chinese government with a made-for-television commercial to show that hardly anyone in San Francisco - or North America - had any qualms about human rights abuses in China.

Newsom won't come out and say that, but he did concede that he took the decision right down to the final minutes.

"Literally, at 1 o'clock, we had two choices," he said in a phone conversation en route to the closing ceremony at the airport. "We could cancel the event or move forward in a different manner. We went to the torchbearers themselves, and overwhelmingly they said they supported the change."

Taking the torch to the other side of town and skirting the whole enormous pro-China crowd at the ballpark might have improved the chances for public safety, but it also gave the torch back to San Francisco. Suddenly, it was back to the original idea, a run through the streets with a symbol of the upcoming Olympic Games, not a carefully planned political charade.

Because this, apparently, is the Chinese government's idea of free speech. They speak freely, and everyone else gets shouted down. Frankly, there is no denying that they were well organized. I took a minute to talk to a Tibetan protester, Kal Sang, but I was quickly joined by two young men who listened to the interview and began to interject derogatory comments.

"I hope America hears the voice of these people," said one of the interrupters, Jun Liu, from San Mateo. "The media pretended they would be fair, but they are not just biased, they are extremely biased."

Sang, a Tibetan from Minnesota, who had done nothing more than stand with a friend wearing a "Free Tibet" shirt, was surrounded by critics. A woman shouted at her, "You know nothing!" and "Go to Tibet to see for yourself."

"They put pressure on us," said Sang, who looked like a soccer mom. "They try to get us to push them, but we are nonviolent. We are not against the Olympics. They should hold the Olympics. But we are speaking for people who do not have a voice."

At that moment, the China supporters seemed to think that they'd carried the day. The "Free Tibet" crowd had been harassed to the point that they packed up and walked toward the Ferry Building. It appeared that the torch would be coming down the street any minute, and the news photos and video would feature thousands and thousands of cheering China supporters waving red flags.

A cocky young man walked past me and read his sign out loud, "Welcome to Beijing," he said.

It was about then that it was announced that the torch was unexpectedly up in the Marina district, running through tree-lined neighborhoods past a small crowd of ordinary people without a political point to make.

Just for future reference, China - or for that matter, anyone else: You can try to take over, but good luck. This is San Francisco.

C.W. Nevius' column appears on Tuesday, Thursday, and Sunday. E-mail him at cwnevius@sfchronicle.com.

This article appeared on page A - 19 of the San Francisco Chronicle
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Post by putaopi » 2008-04-10 17:30

Already sent an email to Nevius. He was condemning Chris Daly a few days ago and chanted for the Olympics. Human nature is very complicated, I have to say.

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Post by ravaged » 2008-04-10 18:56

Now that happy moment between the time the lie is told and when it is found out.

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Post by 火星狗 » 2008-04-10 19:10

帖子里有个男人认为妇女以此种方式爱国太“woman” :mrgreen:

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Post by dropby » 2008-04-11 13:47

Nevius这篇东西只不过是有偏见而已. 看过了www.anti-cnn.com揭露的公然造谣, 张冠李戴, 我再看这些东西已经毫不惊讶了.

我觉得西方媒体何止是有偏见. 把印度和尼泊尔的录像载到中国头上根本就是恶意抹黑。弱智也没这种弱法。

以前我老觉得CTV还算比较客观公正,这次也很失望.

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Post by 火星狗 » 2008-04-11 14:02

他抹咱们,咱们也抹他就是了。 :-P

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Post by dropby » 2008-04-11 14:45

不幸我们没有话语权呀.

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