All's well that ends well

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All's well that ends well

Post by simonsun » 2007-01-02 22:41

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  All’s well that ends well。莎翁此剧,说的是平民少女Helena爱慕年轻伯爵Bertram。Helena治好了国王的病。作为奖赏,国王命Bertram与她成亲。然而Bertram老大不高兴,宁愿出征战死沙场。他还专门从战场写了封信(有这么变态的男人!):

  When thou canst get the ring upon my finger, which never shall come off, and show me a child begotten of thy body that I am father to, then call me husband.

你Helena要凌空取物、无性繁殖,我Bertram才当你的丈夫。在17世纪的欧洲,这多么困难!然而Helena聪明伶俐,跑到丈夫那里假扮他的新欢,最后竟把两件事,都办成了。

  莎士比亚的这出剧,标题鼎鼎有名。但凡受伤、失败,最后平安幸福的,都可拿出此句来,以示劝慰。然而,是不是也可以说成好了伤疤忘了痛呢?在古书里,每件事,都可以正着说完反着说;而在马克思主义里,这叫辩证地看问题。

  这出剧,莎翁生前似未公演过。批评家对该剧颇有微词――尤其是Bertram,结尾一句话就回心转意,连演员,都不知道该怎么演――一点心理准备都没有嘛!这样的结尾,算不算well呢?对Helena,这样的一句话承诺,算不算well呢?


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  Little Children的结尾,或者说快到结尾的地方。准备私奔的两个人,女的带着孩子跑到公园里等。不料可怜兮兮走进来一个恋童癖,而她自己的孩子突然间不见了――这已经有情景剧的苗头了。而男的逃出来,看到小屁孩在街上玩滑板,私奔也顾不上了――结果摔到半死。即使心里再犹豫,再昏聩慌乱,再不知所措,也不至于,半夜私奔了一半,跑去玩滑板吧……

  情景剧继续。可怜的恋童癖男子,因为一时的过错,整个镇都与他为敌,连悔过自新的机会都没有。一个前警察,整日骚扰他,害得他的老母亲心脏病突发身亡。这两个人,最后在公园里遇上了。警察真心道歉,手都伸出来了。

  私奔的莫名其妙没奔成,害得编剧白白引用了那么多《包法利夫人》;而恋童癖男子的悲剧,握了一个手就皆大欢喜――那时我想,这结尾也太无趣了。然而男子转过身来,像个小孩一样地哭。He castrated himself, as everybody wanted him to……

  都不用分析了,光是生理上的震惊,都足够改变结尾的平庸印象了。而且这张牌,出得还颇费思量――不只是廉价的生理冲击――超强力的黑色情景剧,与前情还保持一致。总结式旁白,自带了喜剧效果,掺杂在结尾,计划中的沉重气氛里。适当的张力,真令人难忘。

  同样好的,还有Casino Royale的结尾。邦德允不允许失败?允不允许废话?不到两分钟,4、5个镜头,把答案交代得1清2楚。


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  Wiki说,《终成眷属》算做“problem plays”。它说,因为不知道该算喜剧还是悲剧。于是就变成,毛病剧。

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Post by Knowing » 2007-01-03 10:19

我觉得TODD 是打球赢了还处在Endorphin 带来的自然HIGH 里,他不是说:我觉得我又什么都能做了。所以看到玩滑板的孩子忍不住要去试。等摔醒了,Endorphin 也没了,就回家了。不然真的私奔了,再拍幻灭还得半个钟头篇幅。
RONNIE's ending is shocking and very good. but I have to point out pedophilia is a disorder not one careless mistake. Just like homosexuality can't be cured, pedophilia is going to stay with Ronnie with the rest of his life. The urge will always be there, all he could do is to suppress it. It is actually a curious question, because noone has a easy answer to the problem. Once I saw a reformed pedophile who just published a book on CNN, he said he had trained himself to walk away from any possible stimulations when the urge first appeared. Also, he informed landlord and neighbours when he moved into a new place about his past so that they could help monitor his behaviour. Yes it looked like his life was painful and would never be normal. But so far there is no better way. :uhh:

:uhh: :uhh:
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Post by simonsun » 2007-01-03 14:19

that could be... but i still think it's weird. it's such a crucial moment for todd, he should be highly concentrated and cautious...

but again this could as well be his most innocent and vulnerable moment, when he could be easily affected by whatever immature thoughts/desire deep inside of him.

as for pedophilia, i agree it's a disorder. what i meant by 'a careless mistake' is 'letting the snake out'. any conscientious men have dark'n'twisted desires, they don't become rapists or murderers or whatever is because they are careful enough not to let it out. sometime it's because they are afraid of the consequences, more often, and i guess that's what we call moral, it's because they know it will hurt others, and they do care about ppl other than himself. as long as you can restrain your desire in the public you are good. watching childporn and mastrubate is no crime (producing and circulating childporn is) :shock:

anyway the ending, as well as the pool scene, are really, really good.
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Post by Knowing » 2007-01-03 14:40

First of all kiddy porn is still illegal. Not to mention porn is not the same as seeing the real person. Also, I guess the point is the urge is hard to control when he sees the real person, and the helplessness of the victim might actually be part of the excitement.

The pool scene is excellent precisely because, he did go to check out the kids. He longed to see those bodies. Maybe he said to himself he was there to cool down, and maybe to harmlessly look without doing anything, but if the police had not come to take him away, he could have gone out of control and done sth again. The dating scene kind of proved that -- just the sight of kids in the restaurants turned him on, so he did it again to the his date. That was not illegal, but truly revealed how he could not control his dark side.
The fear of the whole town was well-founded, but their cruelty was not deniable either, and that brought a real moral conflict in front of the audience: Where should the thin line be drawn? That was very courageous of the author.
Compare to that, the affair between Sarah and Todd is just too easy a question. Audience could easily pick a stand and feel good about themselves.
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Post by simonsun » 2007-01-03 14:43

Knowing wrote:First of all kiddy porn is still illegal.
ha i just amended it :shock: ... now i wonder if watching is still illegal...

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Re: All's well that ends well

Post by putaopi » 2007-01-03 17:31

simonsun wrote:http://blog.xatson.com/Article/112/alls ... -ends-well

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  Little Children的结尾,或者说快到结尾的地方。准备私奔的两个人,女的带着孩子跑到公园里等。不料可怜兮兮走进来一个恋童癖,而她自己的孩子突然间不见了――这已经有情景剧的苗头了。而男的逃出来,看到小屁孩在街上玩滑板,私奔也顾不上了――结果摔到半死。即使心里再犹豫,再昏聩慌乱,再不知所措,也不至于,半夜私奔了一半,跑去玩滑板吧……

  情景剧继续。可怜的恋童癖男子,因为一时的过错,整个镇都与他为敌,连悔过自新的机会都没有。一个前警察,整日骚扰他,害得他的老母亲心脏病突发身亡。这两个人,最后在公园里遇上了。警察真心道歉,手都伸出来了。

  私奔的莫名其妙没奔成,害得编剧白白引用了那么多《包法利夫人》;而恋童癖男子的悲剧,握了一个手就皆大欢喜――那时我想,这结尾也太无趣了。然而男子转过身来,像个小孩一样地哭。He castrated himself, as everybody wanted him to……

  都不用分析了,光是生理上的震惊,都足够改变结尾的平庸印象了。而且这张牌,出得还颇费思量――不只是廉价的生理冲击――超强力的黑色情景剧,与前情还保持一致。总结式旁白,自带了喜剧效果,掺杂在结尾,计划中的沉重气氛里。适当的张力,真令人难忘。

  同样好的,还有Casino Royale的结尾。邦德允不允许失败?允不允许废话?不到两分钟,4、5个镜头,把答案交代得1清2楚。


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原来电影的结尾是这样的。。。小说里的没有这么大的视觉冲击力,但同样震撼人心。Ronnie激动之下,承认自己杀了多年前失踪的那个小女孩。

小说里的Todd, 就像knowing 说的那样,在赢了球的兴奋里,请Sarah跟他私奔。但他们没有立刻离开,而是过了一个周末之后才走。其间, Kethy又带Todd去他们当初度蜜月的地方过了两天,Todd这私奔的冲动,已经被安抚得差不多了。 :speechless001:

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Re: All's well that ends well

Post by simonsun » 2007-01-03 17:43

putaopi wrote:
原来电影的结尾是这样的。。。小说里的没有这么大的视觉冲击力,但同样震撼人心。Ronnie激动之下,承认自己杀了多年前失踪的那个小女孩。

小说里的Todd, 就像knowing 说的那样,在赢了球的兴奋里,请Sarah跟他私奔。但他们没有立刻离开,而是过了一个周末之后才走。其间, Kethy又带Todd去他们当初度蜜月的地方过了两天,Todd这私奔的冲动,已经被安抚得差不多了。 :speechless001:
这就清楚了 :admir001:

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Post by Knowing » 2007-01-03 17:43

Oh, the missing little girl plot is completely erased from the movie.

I like it better this way. Otherwise it is too easy to hate Ronnie.
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